Saturday 15 Dec 2018

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Dec 15, 2018.

  1. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem with that is you are applying that to the entire league. Say the Quakes are a cheap team with no commitment to youth development... fine. Say the whole league should scrap academies and go back to relying on college cuz Birnbaum is better than any Quake academy product and he went to college and your argument holds no water.
     
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  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many U20 caps do these college players have between them?
     
  3. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Dude calm down because I never posted anything of the sort. If you would go back and read my posts I’m merely stating that the colleges are a great tool to utilize. I specifically stated that college ball isn’t a great option but it is a great solution right now.

    Also, I’m sure if you go down the list of MLS rosters you will find most players attended college at one point and I’m still waiting to see the great academy players. Unless you use the Bradenton academy from 1999-2001. I remember Subotic but recall Rongen screwed him. I moved to Europe after that.
     
  4. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here you go.
     
  5. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exhibit B

    BTW, if the NCAA isn’t going to change their amateurism rules for the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL they sure as hell aren’t gonna do it for MLS. Keep beating that drum though.
     
  6. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    It's Tuesday.
     
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  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They could. Wasn’t there an Ed Obannon ruling not long ago? There was also a time when the ncaa would not allow players to play in the SISL a precursor to the PDL. Maybe before your time.
     
  8. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which had absolutely nothing to do with what you’re talking about and no they won’t. Hell most college soccer players don’t even get full rides.
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Sure but anything can change. If someone were to tell me Atlanta would get 73,000 fans and Cincinnati would get a team, 3-4 years ago and before Miami I would think they were crazy. Again, SISL the precursor to the USL/PDL wouldn't allow NCAA players a spot on their roster. Looking back that wasn't that long ago.
     
  10. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I played college soccer and yes we could play PDL in the summer. I’m not sure why you are hung up on that. The coaching and level of play is wasn’t exactly first rate. It was simply a way to get some games in during a period when we couldn’t practice, play or be coached by our college team. It sure as hell wasn’t a replacement for year round coaching, training and games in a professional environment.

    If you think that the NCAA is changing its amateurism rules for soccer, I got a nice bridge to sell ya. Their sole focus is keeping control of revenues from their cash cows and that ain’t soccer. Further, laws like Title IX prohibit them from making changes for some athletes and not others.

    Besides that the type of rule changes you are talking about would likely result in the destruction of college soccer and just about every other non revenue men’s college sport.
     
  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #111 falvo, Dec 18, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2018
    Yes but from 1986-around 1991/92, the NCAA specifically said the college player couldn't play SISL. I'm not talking about not earning a professional salary. I mostly mean training and playing with and against the professional teams. Right now they have a stupid rule where teams can play 5 games and no more or something stupid like that. I could see that changing. Maybe not now but in 5-10 years.

    Anyway, I never said I don't want them to work because I do very much. I actually hope the academies one day do turn into a great filter-feeder for MLS teams and help make our youth players turn into superstars but again, seeing is believing.
     
  12. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Hell, not only that the D1 men's coaches are trying to make men's soccer a full year sport in an effort to fight back against pro youth academies, and keep their players under their umbrellas for as much of the calendar year as possible.
     
  13. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I’m glad I could contribute to changing your mind. I wouldn’t count on rapid improvement for the Quakes though. After all you are owned by one of the cheapest owners in professional sports & he ain’t selling anytime soon with team values skyrocketing the way they are.
     
  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Fisher owns the GAP and the Oakland A's and is by far one of the richest owners in the league but he is an idiot. He is doing his Money Ball Oakland A's thing with the Quakes which clearly won't and hasn't (other than 2012) worked in MLS. Hiring John Doyle as a GM and keeping him around forever was a nightmare. Nothing changed when his best friend Dom Kinnear was hired. Hiring Matías Almeyda will hopefully turn things around. If he can get players who played as he did, the Quakes can be very competitive. I'll never forget Almeyda's goal against a young Gig Buffon. He was an incredible player.

     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You really think Bayern Munich would have waited for Davies to graduate before signing him?
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shinned it ;)
     
  17. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Funny it seems to me you went into your typical shill mode when I started making less than positive statements about two groups that happen to employ you quite a bit. Then since you clearly don't have much depth of knowledge about the sport, you resorted ad hominem attacks rather than attempting to try to refute what I wrote.
     
  18. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    You are correct, investing your time playing is kind of like the Hollywood/drug dealer career model. A few might make it big, but most end up living with mom unless they get a better career. While you have first hand knowledge that most likely do not, you tend to completely overgeneralize and frustrate more than a few. Some players like Joe Sofia or Brandon Vincent will quit in mid-season or as starters to get a better job. Then you'll have a Princeton grad like Antoine Hoppenot continuing to play in the USL years after he graduated.

    Whether $50K is good money really depends on your frame of reference and what kind of life experience you value. I know parents who were hoping their kid would get an appearance fee so they would have a little spending money after rent in less expensive places than LA or San Jose and know others that felt their kids could live perfectly well on USL level wages (they typically get housing - at least those I know). Another thing is that there is a lot of down time in being a professional athlete. If you use it well, you can make extra money, gain skills and enhance your education. If you instead play a lot of video games, your transition is going to be much more difficult.
     
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