Out with the old... Jan 2019 transfer thread

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  1. NorthBank

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    Ha! You serious?
     
  2. NorthBank

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    Agreed. As long as you define "dribbling into dead ends" as the safe thing. ;)
     
  3. maskito

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    Anyone know much about 24 yr old Denis Suarez from Barcelona? Report of him being a £14M replacement for Rambo. Apparently this particular Suarez from Barcelona used to be City academy player, and Chelsea are also said to be interested in him. Since he played for Emery at Sevilla, apparently he prefers moving to us.
    https://www.football365.com/news/gossip-suarez-to-arsenal-chelsea-chase-british
     
  4. ArsenalJake

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    I realize Crazy's quote is from the Southampton matchday thread, but Ozil's future come January is likely to get more discussion here.

    Honestly, I'm wondering what options are seriously on the table for being able to move Ozil on, if that's even what the club desire. Because honestly, what is the current market for a 29 year old creative midfielder on 350k a week who club and country no longer value?
     
  5. cooper7d7

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    Is he wanted in Germany? Turkey? I picture him doing well in Italy.
     
  6. chjoak

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    I've seen tons of speculation but it has all come from analysts that are thinking it could happen based on his presumed falling out with Emery. Only destinations I have seen suggested are ManU (maybe a Martial trade?), PSG and Inter. I've also seen a supposed Ozil quote stating that he would like to try out the Italian league.

    Honestly I think he could be a good buy for Inter. They have money (maybe not enough for his current wages) and have tried for years to snag a proper #10. Brozovic/Vecino & Nainggolon at HM/DM with Perisic, Ozil and Politano/Candreva at the AM spots could be a very formidable MF.
     
  7. crazy150

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    Aug 27, 2006
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    He would likely leave for cheap or nearly free. I know many fans will feel that is a loss financially, but we lost leverage when we let his contract go down. If he was “earning his wage” we wouldn’t look to off load him. In his current form, no one will pay a fee plus his wages. A catch 22. That’s why we simply cannot let players run their deals down that close.

    The only way we recover a significant sum is if some heavy dominos fall and a financial heavyweight needs to make a statement signing. Maybe mou will come for his old pal in January.
     
  8. ArsenalJake

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    #358 ArsenalJake, Dec 17, 2018
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    They would have to sell Pogba (which could very well happen), but signing Ozil would still be a lot for Mourinho's ego to handle. I know he's familiar with Ozil but can he afford to pay 800k a week (Sanchez included) for Arsenal's table scraps and survive if it doesn't work out?
     
  9. chjoak

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    Hell, Jose must know he is on his last leg. If the team/board will let him do it, why not sell Pogba and buy Ozil. If it fails he could be screwing over ManU in the process.
     
  10. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Jose is out so he isn't going to United.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Surely we have a buy back clause?

    :ROFLMAO:
     
  12. NorthBank

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    Thought you were speculating. But then I looked it up. Looks like he got the sack today!

    Good riddance. Time to find a new country to infect with your nasty soul.

    Too bad Ed Woodward can't do the same for POTUS.
     
  13. NorthBank

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    Also I read that they said that the caretaker manager would NOT be Carrick, Butt or Wenger.

    Solskjaer is rumored. If so, he's surely hoping to have better luck than he did at Cardiff!
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Exactly

    Ozil isn't going to be sold in January

    If anything happens it will be in the summer.

    I can imagine a situation where he really does have chronic injury issues, so takes a negotiated move to an easier league like Italy

    If his back problems can be managed - I think it will be a longer process.
     
  15. crazy150

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    Aug 27, 2006
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    I don’t doubt he has back issues, but the extent of which it is used seems like a convenient narrative to cover for other issues—either mental health or a conflict with management or both. I’ve had chronic back issues since college and I’ve never seen Mesut act like he has serious back problems.

    Watch tiger woods the last 6 years play with his back problems and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Also, any serious back problem that would keep you out of this many matches could be specifically diagnosed—bulging/herniated disc, etc. The fact the club has not released any specific diagnosis is a little suspicious as well.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Possibly

    We have actually been pretty lucky with Ozil's fitness compared to other players, but in the last year or so he seems to have issues piling up. He also missed games for Germany

    It would not surprise me as a lot of the teenage stars tend to reach the end of their physical tolerance after 500 games or so

    With Germany we certainly saw Ozil moving deeper into midfield and he appeared to have lost some of his acceleration which he used to break into space
     
  17. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    He was having back problems before Emery, It doesn't look like a conflict with management and I doubt it's mental health. Chronic back problems don't have to be "serious" to affect athletic performance.
     
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  18. DaPrince84

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    I think that's his future too.

    He is not an attacking player. We can't depend on him for goals.

    I don't think Arsenal will be the place for Iwobi either.

    Only reason I don't see Hleb 2.0 is that Iwobi is powerful like Nasri is.

    Hleb didn't have much power.

    I think Iwobi is a future #8, but he needs to work on his stamina.
     
  19. crazy150

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    Ya, I know everything can be just as the club and Mesut represent, but at some point there is too much smoke for there not to be some fire and I fear we are near that point.

    While it doesn’t take a serious back injury to cause pain and affect performance, it’s rare that back issues are not diagnosed and treated immediately. Usually injections and oral anti-inflammatory medications allow athletes to compete with minor such issues. Major issues will mean more than a couple weeks out and the coach would not be so coy about it.

    When the report of the bust up came out, I basically dismissed it. But since then, I’ve heard Tim stillman vouch for the reporter. We’ve also had the weird comments from Emery about not knowing when the back issue started, no specifics regarding the injury, Mesut training alone, etc.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Agreed

    IIRC we were first talking about this in 2017
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Ozil missed the end of last season with this back issue

    IIRC he also missed games for germany as well as time earlier in the season

    It seems a bit of a conspiracy theory that he is faking an injury with Wenger and now with Emery to be honest
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    I've been through the back saga with several of my favourite kiwi fast bowlers

    it starts with missing some games and come backs, with great hopes of managing it

    And of course managers often demand players play through it - which i suspect is what already happened
     
  23. The Foo Fighter

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    I would be fine with Ozil missing games if he was contributing to the ones he is playing in.

    That's the bigger problem. He'll play one or two, and then miss three or four. In the ones he is present for, he is either a passenger, invisible, or doesn't get into the match.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    Thing is he did play that majestic game where it seemed he was back to his peak - then got injured again and now is back to square 1
     
  25. The Foo Fighter

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    True. It definitely could be a result of that. It's just so hard to tell.
     

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