Official Koreans Abroad Thread Part X [R]

Discussion in 'Korean Players Abroad' started by 12th Warrior, Aug 23, 2013.

  1. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
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  2. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    PYY started a friendly in first action for A/B team since missing several weeks with injury.

    SYJ played first half for Duisburg friendly.

    CKR also played an hour for Karlsruher friendly.
     
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  3. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
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  4. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    OMG HE MADE IT TO THE FIRST TEAM!!!
     
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  5. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
  6. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    I hope he debuts today!
     
  7. DHMGKorea

    DHMGKorea Member

    Chelsea
    South Korea
    Oct 11, 2016
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    man this game was depressing for me to watch haha both because as a Bayern fan I can't believe we went from up 2:0 to draw 3:3 and also because I want to see Jeong Woo Yeong debut but that didn't happen either ㅠㅠ
     
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  8. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    The one year when Bayern are struggling in the league is of course the same chance for JWY to play. And similarly, the match was going perfectly vs relegation zone opponent with 3-1 and they implode after missing some good chances preventing JWY from a debut.
     
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  9. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Man this Bayern Munich team sucks like the Germany National Team...
     
  10. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Ahn June Hyuk scored. You can watch the whole match with his goal at 1:09 on video. I stopped watching after goal but he shows some good touch and acceleration but a bit sloppy with the ball and not the strongest kid

     
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  11. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Does he have good potential?
     
  12. TigersOfAsia2

    TigersOfAsia2 Member

    Toronto Maple Leafs
    South Korea
    May 12, 2017
    Yea he has potiential, like any kid playing in Korea has potiantial.. But most likely a bust.

    Tbh I don't think any of these Euro kids are special. Throughout the top European leagues, theres Korean youth players everywhere. So many randoms in Germany too. Then you see guys like CYM, Moon Hwan and HIB who developed through K2 and they're miles ahead of JGH and PSH. I would rather have these kids playing in the Korean youth structure and build up the talent pool there but what do I know.
     
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  13. toohyper

    toohyper Member+

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    No. Absolutely disagree. Just because you find an outlier in HIB (I'm not as high on the other two you mentioned but a lot of time left) doesn't mean it's the general. I rather have Korean prospects develop in those countries (Spain, Germany, Italy) where the facilities are a little better, better competition and going against better competition, and coaching is much much better. There's no substitute for really good coaching imo.
     
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  14. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    People really underestimate pro league experience. HIB has already experienced 100 pro games and it's visible. His play is much more routined than LSW for example (who is not less talented tho).

    I honestly doubt he could/would play in a K-League team atm. The likes of Jeon Se Jin, Cho Young wook, etc. are ahead of him already and they're younger.
     
  15. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    I also don't agree with the generalization, but one good point is that there are players that were developed in K2 who are ahead of some of the European trained ones. And besides the best examples (LKi, JWY, LSW, etc) there are also a lot of less successful examples (RSW, some players at HSV & Bremen, the St.Pauli boys, AJH, etc.)
     
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  16. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
  17. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    If they get rid of Kovac, I don't know what it'll mean for him in that team. But they really need to buy some players cus the squad is so damn old...
     
  18. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I imagine Kovac has never really had time to care. Which makes it frustrating as an easy time to title and CL top seed would allow Kovac time to please the Bayern hierarchy and at least give kids a chance.
     
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  19. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Looks like we need to root for three points in CL this week so that Bayern locks top seed. Would allow for JWY to see some action in a meaningless final CL group stage match.
     
  20. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Never mind. I thought they were playing Ajax this week.
     
  21. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
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  22. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    AJH is way too early to include there. He obviously needs physical maturation which is why he’s with C team and also if Valencia/Barcelona had C teams, we'd might have seen the other spanish kids there.

    But to the greater point, these lists are a conflation of so many issues that you are comparing apples and oranges, not to mention the incredible sample size issues (e.g. 3 examples of an entire nation's worth of footballers output vs the outcomes of a handful kids who went to Europe). You're picking guys who already got filtered through the system vs comparing those who hadn't.

    Most importantly, most of the kids that are inflating your sense of "youth players everywhere" were not major talents coming out and almost all didn't every play at the youth level at all or if they did, only at the very last age group.

    And I'm not sure where you're getting PSH comparisons vs these players. JGH excelled at the youth WC until catastrophic injury combined with the ban period waylaid his career.

    Conversely, we can see European flameouts like MSM and KJS excel on return so you have to take accomplishments at the Korean level with a huge grain of salt...
     
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  23. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I've mentioned this before but there are specific stages to the development of youth players. We have to keep this in mind at all times.

    But in modern football, u18 is not youth level anymore. Coming to Europe to "learn" is a very difficult challenge when other players are there to compete, not learn, without handicaps on language, tactical systems and homegrown bias.

    We also have to recognize that many countries struggles with transitioning talent from youth to pros. Look at how Sancho and Nelson avoiding the "work the way up the English pyramid" traditional path has paid off and how inept the English system looks in retrospect.

    I'd say that coming in before such a difficult stage is useful in that you can be ready to compete when its time to show off, as Son's language skills were helpful in his transition, and experience in a region's style of play can also be critical as well.

    There are also plenty of agents who are in it for themselves too though and promises at the youth level are easier to sell but far harder to keep.
     
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  24. TigersOfAsia2

    TigersOfAsia2 Member

    Toronto Maple Leafs
    South Korea
    May 12, 2017
    Good point, don't know why I haven't thought of that so ig it's not a fair comparison I made with regards to those players.

    My main problem is that often times, we treat the kids in Europe as if they've already been filtered through the Korean system, pinning so much false-hope on these players who like I mentioned, are not THAT special and most likely busts.
    Asides from some prodigies that may spring up, I still think it's in the best interest of Korean football to keep players in Korea instead of bleeding talent to Europe, keep the Korean youth leagues as talented/competitive as possible and filter out players from there..
    They don't have to deal with homesickness (Language, food, culture), underlying biases against the Asian kid (opportunities), other crap that distracts players from playing football..But that ain't my decision to make.

    On the flip side, ig if you send enough players out to Europe, you're bound to end up with a Sonaldo every once in a while ? lol
     
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  25. TigersOfAsia2

    TigersOfAsia2 Member

    Toronto Maple Leafs
    South Korea
    May 12, 2017
    Somewhat unrelated to the point above but think about how differently a guy like PSH would have turned out had he returned to Korea and came up through the Korean system when he got slapped with the ban.
    He most definitely would have gotten way more opportunities and really built up his experience by now. Instead he's trying to grind it out in Europe as a 20/21 year old stuck in the 3rd division, unwilling to move to Korea, maybe because of pride..? I remember some poster here mentioned something about this. Seems hopeless.

    IMHO "Playing in Europe" when you're U-20 means f*k all to me.
    We're not Nigeria. The facilities in Korea are comparable to the top leagues of Europe.
     

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