Copa Libertadores 2018

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by Century's Best, Dec 26, 2017.

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  1. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    Please do not use this forum to call other posters imbeciles, retards, ********tards, idiots or similar insults
    You are better than that.
     
  2. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    And Messi as well.
     
  3. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Whatever our positions on this issue, it's fair to say that for CONMEBOL to make this very sudden change, which placed Grêmio in an uncomfortable position given the (a little over) 24-hour advancement of the scheduled hearing without notice only makes the logistics and administrative part of Grêmio's work more complicated.

    That said, if Gallardo broke CONMEBOL rules, that has to be addressed. And as per the English-language commentary Burr posted yesterday, there is a real case for Grêmio to petition that the 3-0 score be implemented by CONMEBOL in Grêmio's favor.

    Anyway, we will now see a bit later today. And whatever we say about South America not being Europe, our tournaments having that "extra" excitement that "sterile" UEFA matches never have... when it comes to professionalism, South America has a lot to learn from the Old World. Just because it's "us" doesn't mean it's right.
     
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  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, Messi, of course better than both, goes without saying ;)

    But can he coach?
     
  5. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    It's definitely not very professional. 8:20pm is quite late, and if that was a decision to be taken, the least CONMEBOL could have done is simply made a phone call. With all that's happening. Grêmio management would have not ignored CONMEBOL phone calls.

    River Plate's attorneys already in Paraguay? Strange, isn't it.
     
  6. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Vampeta has a World Cup, unlike the Catalonian choker...
     
  7. celito

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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There is no winning here to be honest.

    - Gremio going through on this is a bit of a cheap way to go through.

    - River getting away with it is pretty lame.

    - No final would also be just plain stupid.
     
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  8. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
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    Lisburn Distillery FC
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    Turks and Caicos Islands
     
  9. pipinogol

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    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    :ROFLMAO: hahaha AcesHigh went bananas and is resorting to insults. He got too used to winning with VAR red cards and now that he lost with VAR he can't take it :ROFLMAO: what a sore loser.
     
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  10. locoxriver

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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Mauricio Macri is pushing for away fans to be present in the final, despite the fact that they weren't allowed in even less "dangerous" local Libertadores match-ups due to security concerns, such as when River faced Racing, Independiente, or Lanus. He confirmed today that both teams will have 4,000 away fans present in each stadium, going against the head of the Ministry of Security's recommendations.

    Pretty funny that he changes his stance when it involves his team defining the series away from home. Lets not forget that he was the one who started this whole ban on away fans in the first place :rolleyes:

    Still, it would be cool to see away fans present because the color and passion is precisely what futbol argentino is all about. But lets be real -- things could get ugly depending on the result: if River is winning, I wouldn't be surprised to see the bosteros tearing the stadium apart and rioting as they have multiple times in the past... then if Boca is winning, their fans could be at a serious risk if some crazed River fans don't react well to their celebrations.

    We'll see.. we still have to see CONMEBOL's official decision relating to River/Gremio to begin with. However, Macri has already begun to play with fire..
     
  11. locoxriver

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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well there it is... CONMEBOL went the logical route and dismissed Gremio's request for River's elimination. Official statement to be given later tonight.

    https://www.tycsports.com/nota/copa...el-pedido-de-gremio-y-river-es-finalista.html

    However, it looks like they will suspend Marcelo Gallardo from coaching in continental competitions for anywhere from 3-9 months (meaning that besides missing the finals, he could miss all of River's group participation in the next edition of the cup)
     
  12. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Que se joda por boludo ;)
     
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  13. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #463 argentine soccer fan, Nov 2, 2018
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    Let him be. It's not fun to lose in the semifinals, especially the way they did. He'll recover from it eventually.
     
  14. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    To be fair to Messi, he did achieve all the following:

    International
    Individual
    Awards
    Performances
    Records
    As of September 2018
    World
    Continental
    Spain
    • Most Best Player in La Liga awards: 6 (2009–13, 2015)[578]
    • Most Best Forward in La Liga awards: 7 (2009–13, 2015, 2016)[578]
    • Top goalscorer in La Liga: 390 goals[579]
    • Top assist provider in La Liga: 153 assists[580]
    • Top goalscorer in the Supercopa de España: 13 goals[309][581]
    • Top goalscorer in a La Liga season: 50 goals in 2011–12[582]
    • Most hat-tricks scored in a La Liga season: 8 in 2011–12 (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)[309]
    • First player to reach 300 La Liga goals; only player to reach 350 La Liga goals.[583][243]
    • Most opposition teams scored against in La Liga history: 36[584][585]
    Argentina
    • Argentina all-time top goalscorer: 65 goals
    • Top goalscorer for Argentina in a calendar year: 12 goals in 2012 (shared with Gabriel Batistuta)
    • Only Argentine player to score against every CONMEBOL nation
    • Youngest player to play for Argentina in a FIFA World Cup: 18 years, 357 days in 2006
    • Youngest player to score for Argentina in a FIFA World Cup: 18 years, 357 days in 2006
    • Youngest player to reach 100 caps for a country under CONMEBOL's jurisdiction: 27 years, 361 days in 2015
    • Most Argentine Footballer of the Year awards: 11 (2005, 2007–13, 2015–17)
    Barcelona
    • Top goalscorer in the Derbi barceloní: 21 goals
    • Top goalscorer in El Clásico: 26 goals
    • Top goalscorer in the Athletic–Barcelona clásico: 24 goals
    • Top goalscorer in official competitions: 552 goals
    • Top goalscorer including friendlies: 586 goals
    • Top goalscorer in the UEFA Champions League: 100 goals
    • Top goalscorer in European competitions: 103 goals
    • Top goalscorer in international competitions: 108 goals]
    • Most hat-tricks scored in La Liga: 30
    • Most hat-tricks scored in all competitions: 41
    • Most official trophies won with the team: 33
    Meanwhile, Renato still sucks ;)
     
  15. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    A long list of distinctions achieved away from home... no wonder he's taken a sabbatical after Russia. What do so many of your compatriots call him?... ah yes, "pecho frio," or "pechi," or "fressi."

    Much better than many players of your country... who have achieved zero with your national team. In fairness, your team has done nothing since 1993 other than fail, so I guess that attenuates how much they suck.
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I hope they let visiting fans in the stadium, it makes the games more fun. However, after his stance, if there is quilombo, it's going to be on Macri, he'll have to answer for it.

    Let's hope it's a peaceful party, and may the best team - errrr, Boca - win!
     
  17. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    If the early reports of CONMEBOL's decision are accurate, I wouldn't be surprised. That said, Grêmio has likely been an emotional mess since the match, and although the first leg of the final is a bit over 1 week from today, with the confusion of the petition for a sanction against River Plate, Grêmio would have likely faced Boca Juniors in less than optimal conditions. Were Everton and Luan to be there and 100%, it'd help, but the momentum would simply not be on Grêmio's side.

    A few small but pivotal differences and Grêmio would indeed be preparing for the final. As I wrote days ago, this is a cruel sport.
     
  18. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We neutrals are just expecting a nice and traditional bloodbath on the field.

    Hope there's not any outside and the fans behave though.
     
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  19. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Trash talking Messi to Argentinos is kind of pointless anyways ... since a majority thinks is a pecho frio anyways :ROFLMAO:
     
  20. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    A muerto who pukes a lot, don't forget... :inlove:
     
  21. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Well, I am a Messi fan x2 ... because I do follow Barca and he hasn't delivered in the final moment for Argentina. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  22. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #472 locoxriver, Nov 2, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2018
    Someone else said this aout Macri's actions, and I don't disagree..

    "Es una de las mayores irresponsabilidades que vi en mi vida. y es el mayor 'porque puedo' del mundo"

    I too love seeing away fans in the superclasico. IMO it's the essence of it all. However, I also think we're practically guaranteed to have quilombo. There's going to be a loser at the end of it all, and we all know drunk, passionate fans aren't the most civilized people.

    Also, do you think he would have went this route if the return leg was in the bombonera? Impossible..
     
  23. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Boludo hubiera sido si no motivaba a sus jugadores en el dia del partido. No estoy en contra de la sancion, ya que es logico que tenga que cumplir una pena, pero boludo hubiera sido si se hacia un espectador mas mientras sus dirigidos quedaban eliminados.

    River esta en la final.... muy boludo no es
     
  24. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Llegaron a la final gracias a Biscay y a Gustavo BS. No lo olviden... (?)
     
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  25. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Let's be honest. No one expects that. We all know it's going to end badly.
     

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