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Except that Spain’s golden formula for winning a World Cup and 2 Euros was playing Busquets and Xabi Alonso in a double pivot with Xavi as an advanced midfielder..

 

Which is exactly three midfielders. I don't know what your vision of Xavi as advanced midfielder is.

Being fast is needed to do your defensive duties, not just with the ball in your feet.
Kante and Casemiro are by far better defensive midfielders than Busquets (CDM). Modric, Verrati, Pogba, Kroos are better CM than Busquets.
Why you put Mourinho's Khedira and Xabi midfiled to Barcelona's at that time?
We are dominating Barcelona in the midfield battle almost every Classico since Modric arrival or more precisely after Mourinho left. Most of the times they defeated us mainly because of the strength of their front three.

"Positioning and movement > physical speed any day of the week. " This would be right if you could have only one of the two, but the reality is that there are players who are both physically strong and position well to cover the field.

I am not denying that he is one of the best midfielders in the world. He is surely not underrated, but for sure he is very overrated by many people.

I think I was very clear with my opinion on Busquets.

 

Achraf named Bundesliga Rookie of the month



The Dortmund loan will be fantastic for his development.

 

There's a huge scandal in Belgian football at the moment. Last week two of the biggest player agents of the country (Mogi Bayat and Dejan Veljkovic), two of our top referees (Bart Vertenten and Sebastien Delferière), the coach of the current champion (Ivan Leko of Club Brugge) and the former director of the biggest team of the country (Herman Van Holsbeeck of Anderlecht) (among others) were arrested in the context of an investigation on fraud and match fixing.

The former director of Anderlecht hasn't been charged with anything and the coach of Club Brugge has only received a minor financial charge, but the two player agents and one of the referees remain incarcerated.

 

Colombia is looking good!

 

What differentiates a good defender and bad defender are characteristics such as positioning and movement, duel play etc... Speed is just a desirable characteristic not a prerequisite. The latter being observable both in theory and practice.

Secondly. We are discussing CDM`s and not DM`s, which are two different types of holding mid. Instead of pulling out straw-man, actually write at least one name which falls under the category of CDM and is better than Busquets. Not to mention Busquets actually has quality defensive output:



Saying that we dominated Barca in midfield almost every single time since Modrić arrival - which is again hyperbole, is actual answer to my Alonso and Khedira question? Strange. And for the irony slow as fck Alonso who makes look Busquets like an athlete had fantastic defensive stats in his prime under Mou. Strange.

Okay. Now you go from fast to strong. I mean, are you fckin trolling? This is the same type of mentality which England had until recently. And look where it got them. The reality is that positioning and movement are among top primary characteristics which differentiate a pro and amateur.No amount of straw-men can change that.

 

I think I was pretty clear.
I don't have nothing to add as your whole post is basically nonsense.
What is the big difference between CDM and DM? Someone would say that you look at it from the perspective of FM gamer.
My view is that you should not divide all of the midfielders in the world by strict position specifications. Instead a coach should fit 1, 2 or 3 players depending of their qualities so that they can get the job done. That was my whole point from the beginning.

 

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Well shit. Why even use terms such as defender, midfielder and forward when all are players. What is the big difference between them? They can all kick the ball and run.

Player characteristics is what defines your role on the pitch. The latter largely defines positioning.There is massive correlation between the two. Which is why you won`t play Pogba as holding midfielder - well at least if you are smart. Instead you will play Busquets there. Two significantly different types of a midfielder. If you cannot comprehend that, i cannot help you.

 

Wow. So what is the difference between CDM and DM?
It seems that you are the one who can't comprehend what I am saying. Things are much more complex than the three or four positions or roles on the pitch that you are implying to exist. What does massive correlation mean? How do you find that massive correlation when the individual football skill set of every midfielder are unique. And you think that you can map the complex characteristics of every player to one precise position on the pitch. If that was the case then maybe coaches are not necessary, because a very simple computer software(not even AI algorithm) can field 11 players with the best skills based on their FIFA specified ratings and positions for example.

 

Article on England fan culture. Very much chimes with the England crowds I have found myself in tbh

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Please spare me of this pseudo-philosophical bullshit of "hyper-fluid" football where there is zero organization in play. In reality you need formation and a system of play = organization ( especially in first and second third ).The latter is based on player characteristics which can be easily identified and categorized in many groups. Three main groups are: defender, midfielder and forward. The latter is expanded in many subgroups. Sub-groups depend again on players characteristics. In short in large sample you observe trends and you can "map" and categorize that.

Midfielder who excels in defending will usually take the optimal position for that characteristic which is above CB`s - Casemiro. If he has sweeping abilities then optimal position would be more advanced one - sweeper - Kante. If midfielder has above average defensive output but exceptional build up organization capacity,then the latter implies deep position - Busquets. If you have a player who has shitty defensive capacity and poor early build up capacity and instead he has killer final pass and shooting ability... well shit i imagine that optimal position would be central one behind striker. Also, this does not mean that players should be exclusively limited to that. The contrary considering characteristics of modern football. And the result of that is seeing Ramos venturing upfront. Or forward tracking back if situation demands it. Or fullback going up. Etc..

 

A sweeper? Legends say that my home town team played with a sweeper in the 1970s and I remember that when I trained football as junior in 00s one of the legends of that team being a coach of our rivals made them plaz that retro formation with a sweeper. Still I didn't understand what is the difference between CDM and CM. But please don't bother answering me as I don't have the task of categorization of different players into positions.
It will be interesting though if you "map" Kroos, Modric, Isco and James into specific positions in Ancelotti's 14-15 team which achieved 22 consecutive wins.

 

Ancelloti was trying to pull a Zagalo 1970 but his approach was not sustainable long term..
We could have won more that year though if it wasn’t for Modric’s injury.

 

Modrić and Kroos played as CM`s - double pivot. While Isco and James were LM / RM respectively. To break it down even further, Kroos had a deeper role if i remember correctly and basically playing as DLP, while Modrić as CM.

Now the question is either you can actually produce an argument, or will you continue chasing red herrings such as spending majority of your post arguing lapsus of writing sweeper instead of shuttler and keep moving the goal post?

 

There were games when Ancelotti played only three of them. And now we have a new position - DLP. Looks like Kroos is not strictly a CM and how is that possible that a CM or two can handle defensive tasks. They key is that even James and Isco helped cover the spaces, despite being more attacking midfielders.

p.s. I have nothing to produce. I think I was pretty clear with my opinion. It is just you trying to isolate Busquets at a very specific position of which there is no one better than him in the world. All I was trying to say is that overall, I prefer other midfielders.

Yes, I think the injuries of key players in that system like Modric and James let him down. We were very thing in midfield back then.

 

Absolutely.. we had Khedira, Illara and Lucas Silva as backups..

 

But Goddamn what is the difference between dm and cdm

 

I find it amazing that you are still unable to comprehend positions and roles. But hey maybe it is the language barrier.

Isco and James played as LM / RM. It is not surprising that they needed to have an active role in defending. Hell, even forwards should be active in phase of defense. The question is in what capacity and where.

Look you can continue with it and the fact remains that Busquets plays a deeper central role and we have a name for that position. That is his purpose and he does it the best on the planet. Which is why you cannot name a single player who is better in that position / role.

 

Traditionally DM is all about defensive capacity usually being played above CB`s. While CDM`s basically answer the needs of modern football. Being able to defend, but also have strong passing capacity not just in terms of accuracy but also decision making.

 

I don't know what you think I cannot comprehend. It doesn't matter - the key is in the bold. In what capacity and where is not defined by the position of the players only but by the qualities of the players on the field.
Honestly, how you specify his role I can't think of better player than him. But I don't know what his competition is as you ruled out players like Case, Kante, Kroos, Modric, Verrati as playing in other positions.

So we've won three CL playing with retro football playing with DM or what?
Could you please name 5 good CDM players today?

 

There are CAM and CDM or just AM/DM, and of course CM which offers a little of both like Modric. Different players can play in that hole in different roles.

As for a Busquets, to me he is not really a classic "destroyer" and and players like Xabi and Pirlo, have done that "deep lying" role very different, than a Casemiro or Makalelee.

 

Players have certain characteristics. That characteristics directly translate into positions and roles on the pitch. You will play a player like CR7 upfront and not at the back for fck safe. How the fck do you think playing positions / roles, formations and systems formed and in general football theory formed????

Great. Finally an answer. I had enough anyway.

 

now the MD saying that Barca thinking about Neymar
if he goes back to Barca and Mbbape is not here, Perez will remain a out of the game again

 

We don't need either player, that isn't to say signing one would be bad but it's not the only way forward...

We'd do well to have our attack be able to create opportunities for each other, there's so much room for improvement with the poor play right now that it's silly to get hung up on Mbappe or bust narrative.