Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

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  1. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Probably due to accomodate Pep. Leroy also started to lose a lot of balls upfront in the minutes before his sub. I guess Löw was right with that. Normally the team would've had players like Stindl, Reus, Goretzka etc. so there would be enough depth in my eyes to handle situations like this better in the future.
     
  2. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    Yes, I did see almost all of his games, he has pretty much the same issues. In Man City they have Arguro as a reliable scorer, Sane is more a wider wing player to provide pass into panelty box or have speedy counter attack, the way Man City dominate possession means he is less likely under pressure to protect the ball and pass it out accurately under pressure, and that is main issue, in the international level, this issue is amplified when playing stronger opposition.
     
  3. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    Loew should call up Stindle again, out of all the current strikers, he is the most reliable one and can give me confidence to score when given chances. Don't tell me that his goal statistic is not great, when playing for mid level team, you will struggle to get chances to score, but whenever I see him play, he always convince me that he can score, remember the goal against France in a freindly match a while ago, he scored a very difficult goal with very accurate precision, last week he scored a very good goal against Bayern too, sometimes you can't just use goal telly to judge a player, some players like Gomaz because his physicality he can score a lot of goals against weaker opponent, but when against strong opponent, they normally fail because their strength is not a edge anymore. It is like choosing between two strikers, one can score 10 goals against weak teams but can't score against strong teams, another can score 3 goals against strong teams but probably also only score 3 goals against weak teams, I would choose the later one, because he will more likey to play well and score more when playing with better team mates.
     
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  4. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    #2404 Lewisfromuk, Oct 17, 2018
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    I don't criticise them, just give them a fair assessment. I do think they have bright future, but they need to understand their strength and weakness, and keep improving, I remember before Klose was called only knowing score from his header, but he kept improving his foot work, and later became a very good holding link up striker for the whole team, so they can improve, only if they realise their weakness. Also now I just don't agree with most people here in this forum, thinking that playing Sane and Werner will solve all the issues, that is just wrong, you see, they both are not very reliable scorer at the moment, while the main issue of German National team is lacking a reliable finisher, so the solution is find someone who can score, give people like Stindle, Kruze, Uath more chance to try out. They are probably not young, but remember Klose contribute most to the national team when he was in his 32-36!
     
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  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Stindl NT wise is at
    4 goals and 1 assist in 11 games. 3 games of those was as a sub. Including 2 games where he just played 7 minutes only.

    dude even scored twice vs Chile including in a final where Messi and all the Argentinian stars failed to do so.:p

    he's been effective for the NT and even seems to work well with Werner and the younger players. Also has that leadership this team lacks.
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Sane has quite a good club scoring and assist record for a winger.

    I think the issue with Werner is his movement is not what is needed from the 9 and he lacks any quality shot volume compared to say Reus
     
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  7. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    The pro
    Reus is very good finisher, same as Gozt and Stindle. I can understand why Loew tend to use Gozt and Reus as false 9, because they are good finisher, Loew should give chance to Stindle too and I think Stindle can develop into a Klose type player if given chance.
     
  8. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    #2408 Lewisfromuk, Oct 17, 2018
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    The problem with Loew is he always wait for a long time before integrate somone into the national team, by the time he call up that player, that player can well be into a low form, just like Uath this time, Loew seems make decision based on data that was collected 6 months back and he is very stubon to make decision based on instincts. I mean Stindle just scored a very good goal last week against Bayern, while Uath did very well last season, but he hasn't score this season yet, how difficult for Loew to conclude that at this time, calling up Stindle is a better idea than calling up Uath? I suspect Loew puts too much faith on his systematic approach by looking at statistic data and his theories, and forget that football is actually a simple game and sometimes you need to make decisions based on your own instinct
     
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  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think he didn't call up Stindl because he was out for like half a year and that Bayern game was his 1st game since then. I don't think Gladbach would be happy about a returned from injury player (also captain) to go and play for the NT that soon.

    and Uth was only called up because Petersen has shoulder injury otherwise unlikely to get called up. Selke had recently returned from injury. Believe that Fullkrug also had some fitness issues.

    kind of seems like Uth was called up by default.:p

    it just seems like these Internationals were at the wrong time when it comes to German strikers.
     
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  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    a bit rough on Schulz but seems about right. Overall France have worse ratings.
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    The first half was a great half. People are too hard on Werner, his talent is unquestionable. The Sane, Gnabry, Werner front 3 is very exciting. If given time to gell, this is going to be a scary front 3 with Reus as a 4th element. At times they were not on the same page but that was expected. I'd like Sane to be less careless. Taking him out the 2nd half was a good call. Replacing him with Draxler was not. 2nd half, overall, was not too good but considering the opponent, playing away, the newness of this team, it was not a surprise. At least they did not panic and fall apart once they went behind. No one expected the NT to bounce back quickly and beat France. The good news is that we may have finally started to see the new formula going forward for this team.
     
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  12. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Schulz gets a 4? Bullshit, he should have got minimum a 3, maybe even a 2. I was impressed. Kehrer did better then 4 as well imo.

    And why a 2 for Low? He was basically forced into finally picking this team and then made the wrong subs.
     
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  13. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    Schulz played really well, I can see him as a long term solution on the left
     
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  14. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    Schulz has all the quality to be a top left back. Strong, quick, tackle hard, I even saw him dribbled past one defender last night, and his passing to Sane created a good chance, don't understand why he was given a 4 instead of 2
     
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  15. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    #2415 Lewisfromuk, Oct 17, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2018
    The problem with Sane is not careless, basically he is still lacking in basics in terms of protecting the ball and pass the ball accurately UNDER PRESSURE, in Mancity, it is not a big issue because Man city often dominate possession hence he is not under intense pressure when he has the ball. Did you see Messi or Inesta loss the ball so easily even they appears very relaxing holding the ball? in that apartment, I think his man city team mate Sterling is technically better than Sane. With Sterling improving his decision making and shooting, I can see why Real Madrid wants to recruit Sterling, I think the England's younth development has been catching up, with a number of other young players such as Folden, Sancho, England will be a serious contender for coming tonourmants.
     
  16. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    Please enlighten me exactly what Werner's unquestionable talents are? I see him as a one dimentional player, speed is his biggest asset, with a decent shooting skill, but apart from that, I can't see any other talent. He can't dribble and beat player, he is not physically strong to be a holding striker, he is not tall to be a airial threat, and his shooting is decent but not really outstanding (at least not seen from recent national team performance)
     
  17. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He also had to cover Mbappé on his side and it was one of his first outings for the NT ever. That was really an impressive match bei Nico.
     
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  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    believe it was said that Schulz was the best LB in 1BL last season. He seemed very nervous in that Peru friendly but it was his 1st game for Germany, so understandable and even scored the winner.

    but Hector being in 2BL and pretty poor vs the Dutch it's time to move on from him. Time to call up Max and give him a shot next month.
     
  19. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Schultz was really impressive for me. He played a complete match and made very few mistakes. Mbappe eventually had to switch to the other wing because he was having no luck against Nico.

    Stindl is to me the perfect CF for this team. He has excellent finishing, great intelligence and the link-up play that we miss since Klose has retired.
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    pretty much kept Mbappe out of the game.

    one of the reasons why Stindl does have all of these attributes is that he used to be a midfielder then becoming more of an AM to then become a SS/CF. It's why link up play is easier for him than the other strikers because he used to do it all the time.
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    would like to see Uth, Draxler, and maybe even Muller dropped and call up Stindl and Selke instead. Selke with his height and size could be a good choice for headers as he's known for scoring them. Should be given a chance.

    Draxler will never be a difference maker on this team as well.
     
  22. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I thought about it last night and I think Stindl might be the best solution up till Arp and other strikers mature

    Stindl is 30 can hold up for 5yrs, he is not small and can stay with big defenders
    Werners skill set for now isn't for a 9, more of a support striker or winger, he lacks the composure to finish.

    I can see a top 4 of this

    --Sane------Reus-----Werner
    --------------Stindl
     
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  23. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ----------Sane----Stindl-----Reus--
    -------------------Havertz--------------
    ---------------Kroos-----Kimmich
     
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  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
     
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  25. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    He is fast, not afraid to take players one and one and can play as a 2nd striker or on the wing. Been one of the better players during this dark period. He plays best when paired with a 2nd striker as he has show with RB Leipzig. Not the finished product but he is on the right track. Barring injury, time you show that I am right.
     
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