Copa Libertadores 2018

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by Century's Best, Dec 26, 2017.

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  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    This year it's been an exception, normally you'd expect a team from Colombia, Paraguay or Ecuador in the semis.
     
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  2. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    True. That said, if we restrict the analysis to finalists, the exclusivity of Brazilian and Argentine teams becomes more glaring. I do not know that we'll ever have a streak like 1988-1991, when Nacional, Atl.-Nacional, Olimpia, and Colo Colo won the Libertadores. Since 1992, only once did the final exclude Brazil and Argentina: 2016, when Atl.-Nacional defeated Independiente del Valle. There were 2 same-country finals (2005, São Paulo vs. Atlético Paranaense and 2006, Internacional vs. São Paulo), and it's possible we'll have a third same-country final this year.

    This is why Once Caldas in 2004, LDU Quito in 2008, Chivas Guadalajara in 2010, Penãrol in 2011, Nacional (of Paraguay) in 2014, Tigres in 2015, and the 2016 final are memorable. Some, but not all, teams from other countries tend to be less well-funded, so if they assemble squads that can go far, it's a very impressive accomplishment. And that's why sometimes it's fun to root for the "underdog;" São Caetano in 2002 and in 2004, Godoy Cruz in 2011).
     
  3. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    It's also a numbers game. Argentina comes to the tournament with 7 CL berths and Brazil with 8. That's twice the amount of participants for a given country and more so with 2 countries that have the strongest league in the continent.
     
  4. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #179 locoxriver, Oct 15, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2018
    That is kind of true, but do you think these other countries with less berths would be doing any better if they had more representatives? I mean if their 4 "best" aren't succeeding, what makes you think adding a few teams ranked below them in the league would change anything? Each non-Argentine/Brazilian country gets 4 representatives at the moment, yet not a single Peruvian, Ecuadorian, Venezuelan, Uruguayan, or Bolivian team managed to make it past the group stage this year.. only one of the four Colombian/Chilean teams made it through to Round of 16, while Paraguay did slightly better with two making it through. Still, a weak showing, and I reiterate -- these are supposedly these countries' best teams (at least statistically).

    Btw, it's actually 6 and 7 berths for Argentina and Brazil, respectively.. the additional one is because each country has a current Libertadores/Sudamericana champion. If you took away one slot from Argentina and two from Brazil, you'd have a more even distribution:

    Say--
    5 for Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Paraguay;
    4 for Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela;
    2 for defending CONMEBOL champs

    However, I don't think this would make much of a difference in the number of representatives in the latter stages, to be honest.
     
  5. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  6. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  7. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
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  8. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well in his moment that also was an issue with mexico...
     
  9. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    With amazing matchups like:

    Defensor Sporting vs. LA Galaxy!
    The Strongest vs. NY Red Bulls!
    Carabobo vs. Chicago Fire!
     
  10. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    the distance from Porto Alegre to Vancouver (or Seattle) is larger than London - Tokyo.
     
  11. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  12. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    just need to be careful, Ibra is a good kickboxer
     
  13. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I honestly never understand what's to be admired about that.

    BTW ... no Luan and Everton sounds like you have your work cut out for you.
     
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  14. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Luan travelled and Everton felt good in a test today and may travel tomorrow.
     
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  15. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    #190 Century's Best, Oct 23, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2018
    Some interesting statistics about this year's semifinalists.

    - River and Palmeiras with the best defense of the four, tied at 4 goals allowed
    - Grêmio a close second at 5
    - Boca last with 7 allowed
    - The Brazilians have better offense, but the Argentines' lower goals scored tally shows that it's not how many goals a team scores, but rather, that it simply score more than opponents.
    - Grêmio passes the most by far; River has the "worst" passing, but it has the same number of shots on target as Palmeiras does; River thus does manage to get the football close enough to goal to get well-aimed shots.
    - Boca has received the least fouls.
    - River has committed the most fouls.
    - Grêmio is the most disciplined semifinalist: it has fouled the least of the four semifinalists, and has no red cards; and, incidentally, Grêmio has been fouled the most.
    - The Argentine semifinalists have received the most yellows (48 combined vs. 31 for both Grêmio and Palmeiras), but Boca has had no expulsions. River and Palmeiras have had 2 red cards each.


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  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Gremio should be the favorite to win it all at this point, but the real fate is defined on the field.
     
  17. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You rate Gremio over River ?
     
  18. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Really you can make an argument for any of the four, but I feel the general consensus is that Palmeiras is the favorite at the moment
     
  19. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Any news? Expected to start?
     
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If our players can keep their cool. They lose their composure very easily. Not really crazy about the style we are playing. Depends a lot on scoring the first goal IMO.
     
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  21. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    What are you talking about.. I'm here waiting for part 2 of Felipe Melo vs. Nandez

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  22. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    No Luan , No Everton.
     
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  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    From what I've seen so far, I rate Gremio a tiny notch above the other three.
     
  24. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Pretty even 1st half.
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Gremio go up 1 x 0 off the corner. Great result specially missing 2 key players.
     

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