Premier League/Football League 2018-19 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by code1390, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #176 EvanJ, Sep 18, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2018
    OK.

    How about a hybrid of a penalty kick and free kick? How about DOGSO outside of the PA lets the victimized team shoot from the spot of the foul with no defenders in between?

    What does SPA mean? It's not in the Referee Acronyms topic.
     
  2. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Stop Promising Attack, i.e., tactical foul which is cautionable as USB.

    Should be added to the acronymphomania catalog.
     
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  3. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Thanks
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you. I've seen it called a "professional foul."
     
  5. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Hopefully not by a referee!!
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair I've seen SPA used a lot more in the past 6 months or so. Even I generally referred to it as a tactical foul before hopping on the SPA train.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the other end of the pendulum from the Everton incident, this was an SFP red in France over the weekend:

    https://streamable.com/gr2cf
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ha, and then this only gets a yellow in UEFA yesterday:

    https://streamable.com/nzeg2

    To be honest, that one seems much, much closer to the Everton call. Fascinating to compare all these.
     
  9. tomek75

    tomek75 Member+

    Aug 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The France one is a bit harsh, the navy player does kick the white player, however the white player puts his head into the play.

    The second one I would be OK with a either color but I would be leaning toward Red. The defender saw the attacker coming and elected to do a high kick anyway.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. I think of the three pieces of evidence we have from the past 3 days, the UEFA one is the worst of the lot. He absolutely knows where the opponent is and he still goes high, making contact with studs. I don't just lean red, I think it's supposed to be red.

    Yet in a UEFA match, with a referee not afraid to give reds (he had two later in this match), it's only a yellow.

    I know it's only one weekend and three calls, but I do think this shows EPL is a lot more in line with UEFA presently than France/Italy/Germany were and are now.
     
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  11. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Saturday 22 September
    12:30 Fulham v Watford
    Referee:
    Martin Atkinson
    Assistants:
    Stephen Child, Constantine Hatzidakis
    Fourth official: Roger East

    Burnley v AFC Bournemouth
    Referee:
    Anthony Taylor
    Assistants:
    Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn
    Fourth official: Oliver Langford

    Cardiff City v Man City
    Referee: Michael Oliver
    Assistants:
    Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett
    Fourth official: Darren England

    Crystal Palace v Newcastle United
    Referee: Andre Marriner
    Assistants:
    Scott Ledger, Simon Long
    Fourth official: Gavin Ward

    Leicester City v Huddersfield Town
    Referee: David Coote
    Assistants:
    Peter Kirkup, Marc Perry
    Fourth official: Jonathan Moss

    Liverpool v Southampton
    Referee: Paul Tierney
    Assistants:
    Darren Cann, Mick McDonough
    Fourth official: Lee Mason

    Man Utd v Wolves
    Referee: Kevin Friend
    Assistants:
    A Holmes, Simon Beck
    Fourth official: Craig Pawson

    17:30 Brighton v Spurs
    Referee:
    Chris Kavanagh
    Assistants:
    Daniel Cook, Sian Massey-Ellis
    Fourth official:
    Mike Dean

    Sunday 23 September
    13:30 West Ham United v Chelsea

    Referee: Mike Dean
    Assistants:
    Ian Hussin, Mark Scholes
    Fourth official: Stuart Attwell

    16:00 Arsenal v Everton
    Referee: Jonathan Moss
    Assistants:
    Lee Betts, Harry Lennard
    Fourth official: Roger East

    Oliver, Tierney, and Friend see Man City, Liverpool, and Man Utd for the second time this season already, Tierney with only one (non-Premier League) match break. Dean with the London derby, and Moss with what is usually an entertaining match.
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't read or hear referees say anything other than the referees here.
     
  13. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    E86F643D-AC38-455C-9D7E-1734C6963428.jpeg FUL:WAT

    This should have been Red.
    Studs up
    Foot high
    Late
     
  14. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004

    I had to look twice to find the ball. Geez. Atkinson is very slow with Reds. Has been for a long time.
     
  15. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Still waiting for Rufusabc or MrPerfectNot to chime in on Arsenal's 2nd goal yesterday;).

    PH
     
  16. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I’ve been busy yelling at coaches and parents!

    You know, I must be losing it. The first goal in the match did me in. The second one (the one you are talking about) had no effect on me at all. Really bad miss by a white badge AR. But, those things tend to even out! (Not really, but it made me feel better saying it!).
     
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  17. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The one and only thing I can say in defense of Atkinson is that (based on the still photo) he was screened. This view would have been what the AR could have seen, but he was probably more focused on an offside line.

    It's plays like there where VAR can be a big help. It was definitely a miss, but being screened could have had something to do with it. A good replay would show the shin-high contact with a locked leg and recommend a sendoff (assuming, of course, we are operating under the assumption that you can do something short of breaking a player in two to earn a sendoff :) ).
     
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  18. Ghastly Officiating

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Oct 12, 2017
    First Chelsea goal in the Carabao Cup was checked for offside for about a minute but it seemed almost impossible to tell with the mess of bodies.
     
  19. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Saturday 29 September
    12:30 West Ham United v Man Utd
    Referee:
    Michael Oliver
    Assistants:
    Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett
    Fourth official: Paul Tierney

    Arsenal v Watford
    Referee:
    Anthony Taylor
    Assistants:
    Gary Beswick, Neil Davies
    Fourth official: Martin Atkinson

    Everton v Fulham
    Referee: Roger East
    Assistants:
    Simon Beck, Andy Garratt
    Fourth official: Jeremy Simpson

    Huddersfield Town v Spurs
    Referee: Craig Pawson
    Assistants:
    Ian Hussin, Andy Halliday
    Fourth official: Peter Bankes

    Man City v Brighton
    Referee: Lee Mason
    Assistants:
    Matthew Wilkes, Mick McDonough
    Fourth official: Oliver Langford

    Newcastle United v Leicester City
    Referee: Simon Hooper
    Assistants:
    Richard West, Daniel Cook
    Fourth official: Mike Dean

    Wolves v Southampton
    Referee: Stuart Attwell
    Assistants:
    Constantine Hatzidakis, Peter Kirkup
    Fourth official: Robert Jones

    17:30 Chelsea v Liverpool
    Referee:
    Andre Marriner
    Assistants:
    Scott Ledger, Simon Long
    Fourth official: Chris Kavanagh

    Sunday 30 September
    16:00 Cardiff City v Burnley

    Referee: Martin Atkinson
    Assistants:
    Stephen Child, Lee Betts
    Fourth official: David Coote

    Monday 1 October
    20:00 AFC Bournemouth v Crystal Palace

    Referee: Mike Dean
    Assistants:
    Dan Robathan, Mark Scholes
    Fourth official: Kevin Friend

    Marriner with the top-of-the-table clash and rematch of today's Carabao Cup match. Oliver with an interesting match too.
     
  20. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004

    And Roger East gets his first PL match of the season and only his 3rd so far this year. He did have 2 fourths last week. :whistling:
     
  21. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I genuinely have no idea what Stuart Atwell’s line for a SPA caution is. Twice in a 20 minute first half stretch, the same Southhampton defender fouled deliberately to stop an attack. Atwell gave him a talking to both times. If nothing else, it was persistent infringement.

    Atwell finally gave a caution to a different Southhampton player and then a Wolves player in 90 seconds.
     
  22. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    3261C30C-ABBB-4EC4-B457-69B8089FBFD8.jpeg Should have been a PK for handling.
     
  23. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Friday 5 October
    20:00 Brighton v West Ham United
    Referee: Kevin Friend
    Assistants: Matthew Wilkes, Simon Beck
    Fourth official: Simon Hooper

    Saturday 6 October
    Burnley v Huddersfield Town
    Referee: Chris Kavanagh
    Assistants: Daniel Cook, Sian Massey-Ellis
    Fourth official: Martin Atkinson

    Crystal Palace v Wolves
    Referee: Michael Oliver
    Assistants: Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett
    Fourth official: Roger East

    Leicester City v Everton
    Referee: Andre Marriner
    Assistants: Scott Ledger, Simon Long
    Fourth official: Lee Mason

    Spurs v Cardiff City
    Referee: Mike Dean
    Assistants: Darren Cann, Dan Robathan
    Fourth official: Paul Tierney

    Watford v AFC Bournemouth
    Referee: Jonathan Moss
    Assistants: Eddie Smart, Marc Perry
    Fourth official: Simon Hooper

    17:30 Man Utd v Newcastle
    Referee: Anthony Taylor
    Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn
    Fourth official: Stuart Attwell

    Sunday 7 October
    12:00 Fulham v Arsenal
    Referee: Paul Tierney
    Assistants: Adrian Holmes, Mick McDonough
    Fourth official: Mike Dean

    14:15 Southampton v Chelsea
    Referee: Craig Pawson
    Assistants: Ian Hussin, Richard West
    Fourth official: Roger East

    16:30 Liverpool v Man City
    Referee: Martin Atkinson (pictured)
    Assistants: Stephen Child, Lee Betts
    Fourth official: Stuart Attwell
     
  24. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Nothing in that picture shows that any handling that might have occurred was deliberate.
     
  25. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Two fouls in 20 minutes = PI??
     

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