Can someone explain this restart?

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  1. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    HS Boys.

    White player goes down in his defensive half (about 10-15 yards from midfield). White has possession of the ball in their offensive half (again, about 10-15 yards from midfield). CR blows the whistle to stop play and check on the injury.

    He gets that sorted. He ends up restarting with a DFK for white about where the ball was when he stopped play. I had assumed it would be a drop ball and blue would kick it back to white's GK. Failing that, I was expecting him to raise his hand to signal IDFK. That didn't happen either.

    Am I missing something?

    ETA: I'm 90-95% sure there wasn't a foul called when he stopped play.

    TIA
     
  2. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    With White in possession of the ball, under NFHS rules the correct restart would be an IFK for White at the spot the ball was when the referee stopped play. Perhaps he just forgot to raise his arm to indicate that it was indirect.
     
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  3. ArgylleRef

    ArgylleRef Member

    Jan 23, 2004
    Lansing, KS
    I'm guessing this was High School? If so, the restart was proper, it is an IFK at the spot where the ball was (in white's possession) at the time of the whistle. He was either too lazy or forgot to raise his arm to signal that it was an IFK.

    Add: what kayakhorn said, too.
     
  4. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
  5. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    That's a restart that often requires an explanation to players and coaches.
     
  6. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    The CR did talk to players on the field. Unfortunately, my son wasn't around the ball, so I couldn't ask him after the game. So I thought I'd ask here.
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What! He didn't raise his arm to show an indirect free-kick. But that was one of our areas of focus for the season.:D
     
  8. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah so we can explain that even though we screwed up you don’t get a rekick, the other team gets a goal kick if it goes in.

    Ugh.
     
  9. Ghastly Officiating

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Oct 12, 2017
    It is a rekick if there is no signal that it is indirect and the ball goes directly in the goal.
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Correct under the LOTG. But the game in questions was NFHS, and I believe that @fairplayforlife was referring to the high school rule, which I believe is different.
     
  11. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Do we have something official on this? Long story short, an assessor threw me under the bus for insisting that the center re-kick after an IFK went directly into the goal without a touch.
     
  12. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    If it simply went in without a touch it's a GK (Law 16--ball over goal line and not a goal).

    If it went in without a touch AND the R failed to signal, the kick is retaken. The retake is explicit in Law 13.
     
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  13. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Taken from NFHS and FIFA.

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  14. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See my photo post. Nfhs is different
     
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  15. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Um, maybe it was the "insisting" part?
     
  16. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If this was a case of failed signal he should insist
     
  17. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Agree--unless it was an NFHS game and he was wrong . . . I don't know why an assessor would throw an AR under the bus from preventing the R from making a bad error of Law.
     
  18. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had a rare day off from HS refereeing last week so I went to a girls varsity game for the school I teach at as a spectator. I ended up watching the dual referees, and their mechanics were all off. On IFKs, they would raise their arm briefly and put it down before the kick. Then on a DFK, they would give the DFK signal and hold it until the ball was kicked. It's like they were doing the opposite of what they were supposed to do.
     
  19. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Alright, I'll give a more complete story.

    HS round of 16 boys game. Center calls IFK about 30 yards from goal. Center though a foot was too high for PIDM. Personally, I don't think anyone really expected the call. Center raises his arm for IFK, puts it down to set the wall, and never puts his arm back up. Kicker rips a shot, keeper reaches to save it, misses, and the ball goes in. Players celebrate and I stand at attention. Center comes over and I ask if it was IFK because your arm wasn't up, he say's it was IFK. His brain instantly froze. At that point I told him, probably more forcefully than I should have, but he was lost, that the restart is a rekick because he didn't raise his arm.

    Ten minutes later, we go into a lightning delay. The assessor comes down from the press box to give us hell for the whole process. 1) He says that, if anything, the head was too low, not foot too high, the kick should have gone the other way. 2) He swears that the arm was up for the kick. 3) The keeper touched the ball so it should be a goal. 4) Why would you let them rekick the ball.
    We have about a 20 minute discussion in which the assessor gets more upset with us, mostly me, for attempting to defend our decision making. I tried to say that I know it is a rekick in the LOTG and ask if it is different in the HS Rules but the assessor insisted that it was a goal kick.

    We weren't even to half time and it was obvious that, if the assessment was for a grade, we would have failed already. We then sat there in a lightning delay for another 40 minutes with just our thoughts. I spent most of the time trying to boost the center and take as much of the heat for the decisions because we still had at least 45 minutes left in the game.

    Right before we went back out to start the game, one of the refs on the other crew came down. He said that they had looked at the video and he thought we were validated in our decisions. The head wasn't that low, but he wouldn't have called anything, the center didn't put his hand up when he whistled the kick, the video guy said, based on experience, he didn't think there was a touch.

    In summary, I was actually wrong on the restart.
     
  20. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Other than the restart I’m not sure what else you could have done here.

    This is an unfortunate difference between the two systems because it is exceedingly rare to come into play, but if it does the restarts are drastically different and possibly game changing.
     
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  21. FootyPDX

    FootyPDX Member

    Portland Timbers
    England
    Nov 21, 2017
    My son just started playing HS after years of club soccer (and is a Grade 8 USSF ref). What I noticed about the couple of duals I've seen is 1. They have an amazing ability to be in the way of play while at the same time out of position to make a good call, and usually so out of position to call anything but a wild guess on offside. 2. if it doesn't involve your feet, it isn't a foul. No amount of pushing, pulling, shoving, elbowing, or full-speed shoulder to back contact is a foul. If you clip a foot, immediate whistle (regardless of advantage).

    This is going to take some getting used to LOL
     
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  22. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The very nature of the dual makes in hard to be in a good position to make a call unless the play is directly in front of you. This also usually involves getting in the way as the players run down your side of the field.
     
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