Canadian Premier league

Discussion in 'Canada' started by mikehurst21, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    They have to win then. Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded with a 1st draft pick and the comfort of throwing away a season just because you have that security. That's what I love about pro/rel. At all levels (players, staff, coach, management) no one wants relegation. They fear it like the plague and will do everything to avoid it. I think in that environment, you get the best out of everyone.

    Promoting means more revenues, exposure and increase value for your club and initial investment. Also, that means more opportunities in merchandise sales, increase of attendance, more sponsorship and opportunities for richer partners to buy a stake in the team. Most importantly...a piece of the above revenue pie.

    That also means that there's opportunities to upgrade facilities and add some staff. This pays off as you increase your fanbase and they are very likely to stick with you in the longer term.

    Blainville would never refuse promotion to D1.

    It might not be a thing in the US but it worked for decades elsewhere and I think that's what Canada needs.

    I actually think that it could be cut in half here.
    • Memorial Cup Champion=Automatic promotion to D2*
    • Last D2 Club=Automatic relegation to D3
    *Just like in the CHL, that "Memorial Cup" must matter and attaching promotion to it is key.
    • Memorial Cup finalist and before last team in D2 goes to playoffs
    Also, the difference between D2 and D3 cities isn't as steep as you think. I think jumping to D1 is a much bigger gap
     
  2. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The future looks bright for the league as it looks to be built on a good foundation on young talent
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  3. waltlantz

    waltlantz Member

    Jul 6, 2010
    Question.

    So Mississauga is looking at a stadium.

    Would a team there be able to draw from all of Peel or would it be just from Sauga?

    I ask because it seems like Brampton and Sauga have two very distinct identities.
     
  4. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Considering that they have come in with the understanding that pro/rel iavthe eventual goal and the entry point isnt nearly as high as say MLS, they wouldnt have a leg to stand on imo.
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    It will be a Mississauga team, not Peel. The city has been trying to get itself out of the region.

    Brampton deserves it's own team
     
  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  7. Initial B

    Initial B Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    I'm thinking about the talk if CPL absorbs the L1O and PLSQ to jumpstart their Div 3. There are teams in that league that will say that's not what they signed up for.

    Also, it seems that people are assuming that Div 2 will be one table. I'm of the opinion that there will be two tables - one east and one west - in order to defray travel costs for the clubs. The only way I see single-table working for the lower Divisions is if the CPL itself is responsible for all travel costs incurred by clubs, so travel costs don't matter regardless of your level.
     
  8. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Not much should change except the branding of the leagues and opportunity to promote.

    Also, they most likely won't have a say. So far the league as maintained the intention to have both D1 and D2 to go national on a single table.

    D3 will be regional as the CSA had planned in 2014
     
  9. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I've never heard of a league forcing promotion against a club's wishes? This seems like a non-issue: if the league winner is either unable (e.g. not financially or organizationally able to make the jump to a higher league) or unwilling to promote, you either have an alternative (e.g. promotion playoff for the next eligible team) or a stay of relegation for the higher league team. Maybe not the latter, since that would be super easy to corrupt, but this isn't a novel situation.
     
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  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I've never heard of a club NOT wanting to promote either. I don't know why we're talking about this.
     
  11. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
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  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    TFC II would be denied promotion as well. Reserve teams won't be allowed in CPL. If TFC stays in MLS, there's a case for TFC II to join the CPL pyramid but they won't be able to promote past D2 I would think.

    The way CPL will be set up via CSB, I doubt clubs refuse promotion. You gave me the example of a reserve team. The first club plays in Bundesliga. As for being denied promotion, clubs would have to meet D1 criteria I would think which in the context of Canada, 5k seats isn't asking for the moon.
     
  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    He just doesn't get it or he's just acting in bad faith. The league hasn't provided details because it already flat out refused any kind of "deals"

    Further to Lenarduzzi being a clown and Vancouver being a joke of an organization...classless move for Bob
     
  14. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    You're examples are very minor league though. One of them could not afford a stand for 250 fans, others are within very minor league.

    CPL scope will be bigger than that. We're talking an aspiring top 3 CONCACAF league once it hits CPL 2.0 which would bring it in par with CFL current numbers.

    Of course, pro/rel makes little sense now as the league is just starting. There would be no incentive to promote as of today. In a scenario where CPL hit CFL metrics, were talking TV contract comparable to MLS, attendances surpassing MLS (CPL stadium being smaller makes this unlikely but could still be high), similar corporate/sponsor/merchandise sale figures. On top of that, CSB would bring extra revenues to CPL clubs and sharp increase on the value of the clubs. This could also bring new investors for the club, more fans even if they relegate... You can't do this in 2019 but post 2026 and post 2030? I think so.

    That's a huge part of the pie that D2 clubs wouldn't want to pass on. CPL understands that too as Paul Beirne inspiration for the CPL project is the English system. EPL being a no brainer, no clubs would pass on promoting to League One or Championship. The perks outweighs the liabilities.

    Of course, if you look at some of the clubs that promotes to EPL or La Liga, they rarely spend as much as the top clubs. Most likely, CPL II clubs would most likely spend against the floor cap and aim to avoid relegation.(unless they have the money or a new partner comes in and injects more money).
     
  15. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I thought the concern trolling was about teams currently in L1O and PLSQ?
     
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  16. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm guessing some of the current clubs will submit a D2 bid once CPL accepts them. I'm thinking
    • London, Ontario - population 494K (if no CPL club exist by then, nut it is a priority for CPL)
    • Scarborough, Toronto - population 632K (2 clubs already exists in Scarborough)
    • Oakville, Halton Region, Ontario - population 192K (Oakville), 548K (Halton Region) The Oakville Blue Devils are the defending League 1 Ontario Champions
    • Windsor, Ontario - population 344K
    • Gatineau, Quebec - population 332K (huge rivalry with Ottawa. A river separates both cities, one's English, the other's French)
    • Longueuil, Quebec - population 239K (Longueuil), over 400K (Urban Agglomeration)
    Those current existing clubs have the population and corporate presence to easily upgrade if they choose so to join D2.

    The rest will stay in D3 and new teams will join D3 regional leagues. The odds of a town like Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island or Repentigny, Quebec to promote from D3 to D1 back to back are very remote, I would think...
     
  17. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    During the last 5 years a number of Ukrainian lower league clubs repeatedly refused promotion because they would not be able to cope with increased budgets of the top flight.

    IIRC, a similar situation happened in Japan a few years ago. Plus they have regular issues with lower league clubs not getting a high enough license that prevents these clubs from promotion even if they earned it by place in the table.
     
  18. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Japanese way is an excellent example of how that the CPL can manage pro/rel... By licensing clubs not only for entry into the pyramid, but also for the level they can reach, the CPL can minimize the impact promotion has on clubs and make sure the club is actually interested in promotion..
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a good idea. Certification for MLS first division could include $200 million up front, another $200 million deposit, an existing 20,000 capacity soccer specific covered stadium in a downtown location, a Nobel Prize winner as CEO a sacrifice to the God of SUM.

    #prorel4usa
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  21. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    There was a coach meeting this week and the Atlantic wrote an article about it.

    What came out from it is that the league will indeed go young and have Scandinavian leagues as their model. The good thing about those leagues is that they do develop good players that goes on to top leagues, the clubs are fully capable of competing in Europa and Champions League and the national teams are good, Sweden and Denmark qualified for the last World Cup.

    I don't think teams overlays for Canadian oversea unless they are in Pool 1 (Foundationals) who are identified as playing in top leagues and National team members. If a player from pool 2 Up and coming (USL & D2 or less) ask for too much, most owners will take a younger player from Pool 3 (Homegrown) and develop them instead as we're discovering there good talent across the country. The league might be saving the bulk of the salary cap for Pool 5 open market to bring in good internationals to surround them.

    Paulus of FC Edmonton was saying how MLS youth don't get regular minutes. CPL will be different in that regard.

     
  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Canadian Premier League schedules cross-country tryouts
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  23. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    What will happen with the Montreal Impact-Ottawa Fury affiliation, if Ottawa Fury compete next season in CanPL?
     
  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's happening with it now? The ever reliable Wikipedia says that Montreal has a whopping 2 players (both Canadian) on loan to Ottawa right now.. Montreal and Ottawa could drop the "affiliate" tag and not really have anything change. Particularly since the two players Montreal have loaned to Ottawa have gotten a good amount of playing time this season.
     

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