Monchi See Monchi Do

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  1. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    What can ya do?

    I generally have at least a gut feeling towards a transfer (rightly or wrongly). With Olsen, I simply have no idea. Just gunna let this one play out.

    If he can be a solid starter and be a stop-gap to the next young stud GK we purchase/develop (be that Fuzato or whoever) , then it’s mission accomplished.
     
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  2. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    I remember fans losing their shit after that play last summer, even though the goal was disallowed.

    People have a bias against what they don't know, but don't realize that people making these decisions know slightly more. You can expect that years worth of analysis was done before any transfer is made, including Olsen.

    This is the type of tools pros have access to:
    https://statsbomb.com/data/


    Still, football is not an exact science, mistakes and unexpected things do happen. Alisson arrived at Roma not knowing how to play with his feet and left as the best GK in the world with his feet, no one could have predicted that.
     
  3. Vulpinous

    Vulpinous Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 15, 2007
    Jersey Shore
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    At least De Laurentis is not our striker
     
  4. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Part of people bias is that those "professionals" who are supposed to make the decisions have made wrong decisions before in similar circumstances.

    People laughed and complained about the decision to sign Defrel for 20 mil+5 mil bonuses last summer. We pulled stats showing his average goal scoring/assists ratio. We complained that his best season was mediocre at best. Guess what? People were right and the professionals and their stats and scouts were wrong.

    You can also include Moreno. People used similar argument to what is used now: his CV in unimpressive, if he was any good he'd be playing in a better team at the age of 29. PSV fans said he was nothing special. Guess what? People and their simple uninformed logic were right and Monchi and his scouts and stats were wrong.

    There are 3 simple undisputed facts here and any attempt to ignore them is trying to defy simple logic:
    1) Olsen is 29 year old footballer. His CV is below mediocre.
    2) Those who watched him weekly, in majority, have described him as average goalkeeper.
    3) We are paying way above his market value by any standards.

    What's our best hope? It is that he is an outlier who was picked by Monchi's pure genius eye for talent.

    What are the chances of that? I leave that for you to decide.
     
  5. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Even his haters admitted he looked good when he had an ok defense, and he looks good for Sweden who also have a good/ok defense. If he’s only ever looked bad for FCK when they had a bad defense (even by their already subpar standards:whistling:) then I think it’s safer to assume we are getting Sweden/EarlyFCK Olsen and not the Olsen @Ceres is describing. I think this move can actually have a lot of upside. As a Norwegian I am not opposed to bringing the pitchforks out for a Swede, but I think I’ll wait to see if he actually fails in our colors before I do that;)
     
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  6. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Even broken clockwork is right twice a day, you’re still an idiot who take more pleasure in rubbing your misguided opinions in people’s faces than actually seeing Roma winning.
     
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  7. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I am an idiot who at least spend time and effort reasoning his opinion. You on the other hand..
     
  8. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I actually did in the post right before, not that you’d notice. You’ve admired repeatedly that you only come here to wind people up. All your so called reasoning is just bias and hindsight, you don’t contribute anything but negativity.
     
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  9. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I am glad I succeed.


    P.S

    Oh a keeper looks better when he has better defence in front of him? What an earth shattering revelation! Thank you for such smart and convincing counter argument.
     
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  10. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    @GamE_Ove12 playbook:
    1. Write essay length troll post.
    2. Get told to GTFO
    3.
    4. Profit!

    You sure are succeeding. Continue to have a good day:)
     
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  11. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Please explain how my initial post was trolling? I will wait.
     
  12. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    “The people were right and the professionals were wrong.” You and a bunch of morons on twitters guesswork isnt comparable to a professional opinion. They were wrong, but you were not right and you did not “see it coming”. I doubt you’re actually this dense.
     
  13. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    #4113 GamE_Ove12, Jul 23, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2018
    The premise of my post was to respectfully counter @Salmeen10 point about suppressing critical thinking and trusting the professionals blindly.. because they unfortunately do make mistakes. And I provided recent examples of the source of lack of complete faith in their decisions. I take no glory of seeing the professionals leading my team making mistakes. I admittedly have made more wrong than right assessments (I am willing to provide you with a long list of them for your pleasure) and that's understandable.. I am just a fan.

    The way you interpret my post as some sort of gloating is unfortunate (I am actually too mad to be gloating) and only reflect your personal vendetta and bias against myself (you know it and I know it). So I won't spend time convince you otherwise. I hope it continues to wind you up every-time I come here.
     
  14. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    My personal vendetta against you lmao. I have a vendetta against some eggs and bacon as well so I think I’ll disengage and go have some breakfast.
     
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  15. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Good. Next time try to contribute to the discussion by responding to the points at hand and not wasting time discussing the poster and your interpretations of his motives. I hope you learned a lesson.
     
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  16. Indian_Gladiator

    Sep 4, 2014
    Kolkata
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    I don't care who replace Alisson as long as we don't replace our GK coach. They are Midas of Roma.
     
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  17. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    It really is remarkable how much the last 2 keepers we had improved under us.
     
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  18. ErPupone

    ErPupone Member+

    Aug 27, 2015
    Austria
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Yes, but in all fairness his impact was that big because our midfield and attack didn't manage to score.

    I'm also not a big fan of Olsen but I don't know anything about him and if he really isn't good enough Mirante will do the trick for the rest of the season. Much better than splashing out 30m for Cillessen, Schmeichel or Areola. After Szczesny and Alisson I'm confident our management and GK coaches will give us another proper GK by no later than next summer.
     
  19. kune

    kune Member

    Apr 5, 2012
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Monchi only makes Roma a worse team.

    When can we get a new DOF?
     
  20. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Erm.....Wednesday :thumbsup:
     
  21. kune

    kune Member

    Apr 5, 2012
    Club:
    AS Roma
    For Roma fans that wednesday couldn't come any sooner.
     
  22. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #4122 Ceres, Jul 23, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2018
    Go look at the extended highlights I postet from the very top of his club career so far, playing CL group stage, and then tell me that you think he look all that good ? ... or it looks more like he do not have to do all that much during the games, even against good CL opponents ? ... In the 4 games against Leicester and Porto he made very few saves, only slightly more than the 2 goals he let in... and this is the point really ... if you are not under much pressure, the team will make you look good.

    On paper, FCK do not have a bad defense by Danish Superliga standards ... all their defenders are NT players, mainly from Denmark and Sweden so FCK should be the very best of the best in all of Scandinavia, also considering their wage budget and who they sign, but they have been below standard and much too shaky defensively both last season and at the start of this season ...

    I mean, if you got a defense of Swedish and Danish NT players and you regard this to be of subpar standard, then you also indirectly imply that their NT keeper is also of subpar standard, based on his performance last season...

    You can obviously argue, that when you sell and replace a string of players, it takes time for the newly signed to settle, even if they are suppose to be as good as the players you sold, but for a club with a wage budget like FCK, the experienced regular starters should be able to step up and be able to win the league even with several changes. So only being 4th best in the Danish league last season is quite a disaster for FCK when they got a whole squad full of NT players and spend around as much money on wages as last season Danish Champions and Silver medalists put together and around 5 times as much as the 3rd placed team...
     
  23. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I was sort of joking about the substandard comment, but didn’t you say that their defense got significantly worse after selling some players? You keep bringing up FCK’s failure in the league and defensive fragility but I do not think that is relevant at all to Olsen. If they are the “Danish Bayern” as you say then they should win the league regardless of their goalkeeper so to me that’s more of a sign of the team letting the goalkeeper down than the other way around. I am still very skeptical of Olsen but I think he is the sort of player our coaches can work with (in theory).

    Unrelated but is Staale Solbakken still with FCK?
     
  24. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
  25. kune

    kune Member

    Apr 5, 2012
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I'm pretty sure that makes everyone to cry even more. Going from tier 1 goalie to tier 5, who already failed at greek league.
     

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