Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

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  1. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He basically said in the same paragraph he has two hearts to then go on wailing why he was referred to as German-Turk lol
     
  2. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    did he at all acknowledge the criticism against Erdogan?

    did he ever say exactly why he agreed to a photo? He could have met him without taking a photo. surely his agent would have suggested him to avoid the photo.
     
  3. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He described in the first paragraph saying it was a matter of being polite. Nonsense of course as he knows how such a pic would go down in Germany. The country where Erdogan usually gets his best results with Turks living in European freedom vote their people at home into a dictatorship.
     
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  4. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This wouldn't be the first time a footballer made a move as tone-deaf as this without thinking through it. Unless you think Mesut is totally okay with getting whistled, destroying his standing with the DFB, getting tarred and feathered by a mix of racists and people who never liked him anyways, for the sake of a freaking Erdogan photo-op?! Get out of here with that garbage. He didn't think it through. This is the more logical explanation.
     
  5. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #580 White/Blue_since1860, Jul 23, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2018
    It is commonly accepted in G that he knew about the implications and went ahead nonetheless. The election was tight eventually. He was wrong though thinking the outcry would be over after a few weeks.


    Meanwhile it turns out he lied about his former school turning him down for a charity event. Completely made up
     
  6. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #581 White/Blue_since1860, Jul 23, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2018
    Wtf!!!!!!



    Hoeness:

    I am happy this theater is finally over. He had been playing shit for years. The last tackle he won was before WC 2014. And now he is hiding himself and his crappy performances behind this photo.

    More stuff:

    When we played against Arsenal we always played over him cause we knew he was the weak point
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I think his intention to be a non-political actor can't really be taken seriously in the highly commercial world of football. That part didn't sit well with me.

    As to what has happened since Grindel and Bierhof decided to throw him under the bus, I completely agree with what he has written

    The DFB are a disgrace and have fed the racist narrative - at the very same time they all suck Putin's dick.
     
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  8. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So it's ok to suck Putin's and Qatar's dicks, but not ok to have a photo with Erdogan?
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is why DFB made a huge mistake not defending their own player against racism

    And of course clowns like Hoeness grab their chance and his stupid comments go some way to proving that Ozil could never win with these people.
     
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  10. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Just hope this doesn't have Hugh ramifications regarding german football for the forseable future, I'm totally shocked how bierhoff not resigned or sacked, he's handled the whole scenario pathetically
     
  11. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    apart For his minor mistakes, ozil for me changed the face of Germany national team over the last 10 years, his introduction in in2009 was a hugh reason for the strong showing the national team had in tournaments, it enabled Loews to build a team around him
     
  12. True. It's pathetic for certain German NT fans to celebrate the team's achievements for the last twelve years and shit on Özil.
    That whole glory era wouldnot exist without him.
    Posing with Erdogunner isnot a minor mistake. It's a huge error of judgement to pose with a man that calls Dutch and German politicians nazi's and fascists and is on the same page as Putin when it comes to press freedom and civil liberties and violations of human rights.
    I dunno if in the years before he had other "endorsements" for Erdogunner, but I feel disgust for those fans that happily embrace the trophies won with/by him and now shit on him and kick him down.
    The culmination of that behaviour is by the morally outstanding character Ulli Hoeness. He has a clean sheet when it comes to improper behaviour and never served prison time at all, does he.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    That is why it's all such a shame.

    For me the journey really started in that wonderful summer of 2006 when Schweini and Poldi - the lovable clowns became the young face of the team.

    But like you say, it was the arrival of that 2009 u21s who really set the imagination alight with their attacking displays

    This is really a bitter end
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I've always been suspicious of the whole "body language/weak mentality stuff" as just soft racism - not much different to what i grew up with in the 80s when it was still OK to say on national television that the Polynesian players were creative geniuses who got easily dispirited without disciplined white leadership. Then in London i saw the same thing with Henry and Gallas who were always sulking or pouting. Terms never applied to white guys. Remember in 2004 Ron Atkinson was caught calling Desailly a lazy thick n*****

    It doesn't matter how often you show that Ozil had the highest sprint volume, or the most take ons, or the elite chance creation data

    And these standards are just never applied to the Bayern boys.

    I mean i even watched a qualifier where Ozil worked his tail off showing for the ball but the team didn't have a good first half and then Oli Schmidt said the body language thing again!

    To be fair Schmidt then reversed himself and said - actually that is not fair he ran his heart out in the first half.

    Of course you see all the same crap with the focus on the lifestyles and haircuts of Sterling and Pogba

    Sterling buys himself breakfast or has a dirty car and its a crime against British sensibility. Pogba gets a flash haircut? Where is his work ethic?

    On the positive side, I personally believe the next generation is beyond this crap. They grew up in the melting pot and as I have said many times. my experience in Hamburg where so many people have immigration backgrounds - no one cares.

    So my daughter does not see her school friend as the "turkish girl" - whereas I still do to some extent.
     
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  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    That's the irony here.

    Ozil became the perfect scapegoat for the racist right and the virtue signalling liberals.

    When we called him out on his fashy love in - we should have then defended him from the racists

    To be fair, some publications and journos have defended him on the later
     
  16. This bunch changed the way the Dutch perceived German football. From hatred for machine like uninspiring uncreative football into enjoying and admiring its new incarnation of creative and adventurous football.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    What he is actually saying is that he is sick of having to justify his loyalty for german and deny his Turkish roots
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It's a real shame

    I bet some DFB sponsors are super upset today
     
  19. So, how is this all going to affect the Germany vs the Orange Machine NL matches?
     
  20. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No one's demanding from him to give up his Turkish roots. Thats a claim he made up just like the following:

    screenshot-www.bild.de-2018-07-23-14-22-58-928.jpeg

    Özil: "What I cannot accept is that the media make it seem like my dual ancestry and a picture were responsible for the bad world cup of a whole team".

    Bild: Complete nonsense and pure self-pity. No German newspaper, website or tv station made Özil's ancestry responsible for the catastrophic performance of the national team. Completely made up by Özil trying to make himself the victim of racist injustices in the media.

    https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...il-analyse-julian-reichelt-56397550.bild.html
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well if Bild say so....

    Of course papers like SZ have called out the absurd scapegoating of one individual from the entire squad by Bierhof/Grindel
     
  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Bierhoff and Grindel. Not the German media reporting on their statements.

    Anyways, what's been not debated so far is Hoeness criticizing Özil in the sports aspect. Like Özil didnt help since before 2014 at the latest.

    "He only shines vs San Marino"

    Discuss
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Hoeness is a corrupt crook - discuss
     
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  24. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    In case the Turkish bid to host the EUROs wins they'll have to cozy up to Erdogan as well.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany


     

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