MLS Flavors of the Week, 2018 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't care what transfer fee the Crew get. MLS is corrupt to begin with where teams can't keep the whole transfer fee.

    I care about the NT, not the Columbus Crew. Adams should've been sold by NYRB this window, not in the winter. That'll disservice him. The reports state Steffen wanted to go.

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  2. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a lot of shit to unpack.
     
  3. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    The reason why Croatia is good is because they developed good players. They did this by having a societal environment where potential talent was casually exposed to the game, early, by people with enough knowledge to start them on a good path. Then, because it's highly valued, these boys spent an irrational amount of time and mindshare learning to perfect a child's game. Some very human version of meritocracy, running on self-interested graft, then sorted and refined these kids by applying generations of accumulated knowledge to produce a player who will be sold for a transfer fee with ample room to wet one's beak.

    People tend to focus on the structure of our version of self-interested graft over the actual process applied to the players. I suspect it's because the former can be changed with the stroke of a pen, while the latter takes years of iterations and even then could still fail. My view is that the process is paramount and that the structure only matters because, and when, it affects that process. We need to improve our process.
     
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  4. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one's value is higher in the winter. That window gets quieter each year. Summer is where the action is at.

    If MLS wants to put on its big boy pants and play in the global market, summer is when the action happens.

    And why would the Crew maybe get a larger portion of the fee this winter? Why not all of it? Why not spend it how they like? The answer is because the league punishes developing and selling.
     
  5. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Production in MLS has not proven to be a great indicator for success with the national team while production in a top 12 first division UEFA league has proven to be a decent indicator for success with the national team.
     
  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I'd go with top-5, UCL, and EL, plus being a top-performer, not merely successful, in a few of the others.

    Intriguing matchups to come over the weekend.
    AtlvsDC. Can Arriola continue the central midfield excellence.
    PhivsLA. Can Rosenberry, Trusty, and McKenzie survive LA's onslaught?
    RSLvsCol. Ford and Castillo vs Baird and Saucedo
    FCDvsHou. Can Hollingshead(WS 7.92@LB) shut down Ellis? Or will FCD go with their newly acquired Brazilian LB?
     
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  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The new Brazilian for Dallas won't play this week as his eligibility stuff is still being worked out. Hopefully Pareja doesn't start Figueroa at LB over Hollingshead and watch Houston stream by him all game.

    I'm very interested in the Atlanta / Carleton watch to see if Martino has learned anything from last year. They didn't rotate players last year and had a bad record against the top teams and seem to be repeating themselves this year. If they won't play their backups and lose in the playoffs again will it lead to fans becoming disillusioned with their club and coach? It also effects how I view him as a possible coach of the US. He definitely has his pluses but with qualifying and tournaments that require more than 11-14 players to excel not sure he's that guy.
     
  8. USSoccerNova

    USSoccerNova Member+

    Sep 28, 2005
    The league owners most likely made a collective decision that franchises with effective monopolies in the best youth markets (not Columbus obviously, but still) shouldn't be able to keep the full transfer fee for competitive reasons. Like the policy or not, it probably has more to do with enforcing parity and certainly has nothing to do with being corrupt.

    Me too. But the Columbus Crew and MLS, who've put actual investment behind their businesses, have every right to prioritize their interests and not ours. Time will tell if they're making the right business decisions.
     
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  9. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Juan's biggest problem has been his ability to consistently stay healthy - thus nailing down a consistent starting spot/role.

    I think that has contributed to him being used all over the field - it did not help that Heaps had no clue and should have cemented him as the CF like 97531 states - even when coming off of injury. Especially since the Revs tweeted when they brought Juan back, they tweeted: "We got our #9!" I always referenced this on he Revs board every time Juan did not play there.

    Friedel has been going with workhorse Bunbury since Juan has been in/out with injuries again this year. Bunbury is producing so Friedel probably chooses not to move him.
     
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  10. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Sorry for the question - was there some rumor of this somewhere? Turner has been a revelation for the Revs this year. Just curious in case I missed this?
     
  11. TracieB

    TracieB Member

    Oct 2, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So if Dortmund refuses to sell Pulisic to say Real Madrid, Barca, or Liverpool you'd be ok with that........even if they would be doing the same thing..........

    Let's not act like this sort of thing doesn't happen all over the world where a club "refuses" to sell a player because they want to get the best deal.
     
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  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I bet his kidnappers made him say that.
     
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  14. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    This is not that. Pulisic is already playing in one of the best leagues in the world. Steffen is not. He's playing in what (should) be a selling league. I think clubs in selling leagues should sell, if the player wants to go.
     
  15. TracieB

    TracieB Member

    Oct 2, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  16. TracieB

    TracieB Member

    Oct 2, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Steffen and Columbus should wait, as they are doing. His work permit will be a problem for now. Just wait till he becomes the USMNT #1 goalie, which he will, and wait for offers from better leagues. More friendlies are coming with the USMNT and then next year the GC. That should give other teams to scout him better and his price might rise even more. He is still young, goalie wise, so one more year shouldn't be a problem.
     
  18. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not entirely sure they should wait till next Summer.

    Acosta was supposed to have a big year, until injuries and US failure to qualify for the WC dashed those dreams. Injuries, or roster turnover, or a new coach, knock on wood, all could derail the delicate timeline required for him to get a WP.

    They should sell if they get a better offer from someone in winter, perhaps after the MLS playoffs.
     
  19. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can one make the determination on waiting to sell if we don't know his contract length?

    It would seem more likely than not that his contract is up next winter( 3.5 yr contract). That of course means this summer is the best time to sell him. Next summer's window he can sign a pre-contract or simply wait to leave on a free. And the winter window doesn't see nearly as much action as it used to.
     
  20. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2795 mattjo, Jul 20, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2018
    Except Columbus is sitting in 4th place in the East with arguably the best keeper in the league and without a ready replacement. So from the standpoint of the club, I can understand concerns about timing. They might want to pull the trigger anyway, but it is a reasonable concern.

    Some seem to post thinking about transfer value only, but the club also wants to compete to win. There is still the in-season window in August, so if Columbus starts to fade, maybe they are willing to let him go then.
     
  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    No, just a hypothetical alternative. Suppose it were real. Which would you choose?
     
  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are aware that Steffen was at Freiburg just two years ago right? It wouldn't be a shock that the potential move of the Crew to Austin is playing a big part in this. If the Crew move to Austin, he'll ask for a transfer. If they stay in Columbus, he's happy staying there and being only a few hours drive from his family.

    Plus he's a starting keeper now. If he goes to England this summer, he'll likely not qualify for a work permit. Then he may or may not play depending on where he's loaned to.
     
  23. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    This has all been true in Croatia for a long time. The question is, what made this generation different?

    Did they optimize their process? Was it a freakish generational spike in talent?
     
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  24. TracieB

    TracieB Member

    Oct 2, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2799 TracieB, Jul 20, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2018
    Per the Columbus Dispatch "Steffen, who is under contract with the Crew through the 2021 season, acknowledged Thursday that he would be OK remaining with the team through the end of the season. At the same time, he is confident in his ability to succeed abroad."

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  25. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    With smaller countries there is an element of luck because basically they are trading on the fact that you can only put 11 players on the pitch (and make 3 subs). The luck is in having the crop of xi all be good at the same time and not having injuries which exposes the shallow depth of the pool. In a way they have an advantage because the best xi tend to be obvious whereas with bigger countries there is much more room for marketing to corrupt the process with shades of gray (e.g., between player x playing in BL and player y playing in EPL, say).

    Look at the old USA teams which performed so much better than the ones we put out there today. When the best xi are obvious, they tend to play together more as well. When Arena was talking about his selection for Trinidad he said that the team would definitely change for WC and his selection was just the one that was convenient for purposes of qualification. I mean, he had all these players to select from so what was the criteria for picking one over the other? Was Arriola or Nagbe really better than Bedoya? Was Bradley any better than Trapp? Was Howard any better than Guzan? What really made Wood any better than Dom Dwyer ? There's just so many ways to get it wrong when you're a big country.
     

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