Changing Landscapes - Chicagoland

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by VolklP19, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    Anyone who sees Inferno's boys' teams on regular basis know much about the club? My 05 son's club team doesn't ever run into any Inferno teams, but his Super Y team (a mix of kids from four or five different clubs) has played a couple of them this summer and last. Beyond that, I'm only familiar with the club as a name.
    I don't know who any of their coaches are and wonder if maybe the summer teams include kids who don't play together regularly, but I've been impressed by some of what I've seen in terms of quick passing, off-the-ball movement, commitment to playing on the ground and playing out of the back (most of the kids I've seen are on the small side, so admittedly there may not be much advantage for them in hoofing balls down the field), ... At their best the teams I've seen can be fun to watch.
     
  2. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Looking at IWSL I see an Illinois Premier club that has teams from Arlighnton Aces, Jogo Bonito, NIFC & Skomore - whats that all about?
     
  3. OrangeCard

    OrangeCard Member

    Brazil
    Mar 14, 2018
    DA relaxed rule as to what teams DA teams can play. I don't believe they will allow DA kids to be rostered on other club teams. So i don't see any
     
  4. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Yet another attempt by clubs to offer a combined program at the older ages in a feeble effort to compete with the major clubs. Many have tried and failed before and I assume this one will too after a few years. Too many personalities involved.

    Here are all the details:https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...inois_Premier_Alliance_Information_Packet.pdf
     
  5. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Likely so. Probably mix their guest DA players between both teams.
     
  6. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    I don't think it's a bad thing. Kids will likely get more opportunities then they would at SAA or Skomor without paying $3000.00 a season. Will the teams be able to compete against the larger clubs - not likely but still - more value.
     
  7. OrangeCard

    OrangeCard Member

    Brazil
    Mar 14, 2018
    Where have you seen that? I have seen nothing regarding the liberalization of DA rostering or DP rules. If you are registered as a DA player, you are not playing MRL, unless you leave the DA team or you are designated DP player that I believe can play 6 DA games
     
  8. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
  9. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    You can play as a guest player for DA - only up to 6 games if I recall correctly. That means you are not officially registered as a full time player.

    I've seen this many times - anytime you see a player with a DA logo on the shirt playing league or NPL games - they are likely guest players on DA. I know there was one who played the majority of all games for Sockers on the girls side for th 2017/2018 season.

    It will likely be the case again for NPL but with a handlful of guest players.
     
  10. YNWA1986

    YNWA1986 Member

    Apr 22, 2011
    I guess it all depends on what you consider a "guest player"...

    In the DA you are allowed to roster Developmental Players (DP). DP's are generally players 15-18 on the roster, the ones who aren't demanding significant minutes at the DA level, but being a DP allows them to also fulfill their developmental needs outside of the DA. To keep clubs from DPing their top kids so they can play both full-time DA and external, DP's are only limited to playing in 6 DA games before they are either no longer eligible or changed to a full-time status.

    Any player you see in the local platform with a DA patch is either a former DA player with the patch still on their jersey (which accounts for half of the Sockers 2004 and 2002 boys pool) or a 2005 girl that is a DP and featured in one showcase event at the DA level and thus needed a patch on her shirt. No conspiracy, not "loading a team" either considering its only one player that appeared in 4 DA games out of +30.
     
  11. SpiceBoy

    SpiceBoy Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Aug 2, 2017
    I am skeptical that a combined like this will have any better ability to get in to top showcase events or play at a higher level league. In order to play at a higher level and get in to better showcases a team needs to have successful history. The pdf states they will not really practice together so this sounds like occasionally they will pull an "all star" team together. I cannot see how this implementation will give a team enough history to do what they are looking for,
    It seems like a good experience for the kids who do it to play some games with an overall higher level group, but I am not sure there will be any higher level leagues or showcases from this.
     
  12. Neko975

    Neko975 Member

    Red Star
    Serbia
    Jul 4, 2018
    There are few teams that did not move with Dino to Eclipse. This is one of them, coach Moy is doing great with this team. He took his teams twice to the final Danone Cup tournament, one time France and once in Brazil
     
  13. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    I run an Open Play all summer. It's free and two days a week for 2 hours per. It started out rec+comp combined for 2005-2001 players but over the last two summers we've seen a spike in competitive and older players. In fact we now have college players participating which is really cool!

    Anyhow have some Crystal Lake Force and FC Alliance (Paul Miceli's group) participating and they are pretty good! It was really funny watching the girls realize that they played against each other during the last few season. They all sort of had this place they came from where they had to hate each other. However after games started everyone had a blast!

    I have to admit - watching these players in this sort of environment is really cool. Most of them feel at ease trying things on the field that they saw in this years World Cup for example. One player tried a rainbow and barely got it 8 inches off the ground but the ref (who is also a coach) and fellow mates response was

    "Hey nice try!"

    "Keep doing that and you will get it!"

    And he did - and he got it.

    This is my favorite time of the year - no coaching - just straight up free play. It doesn't hurt that I can kick back and watch sometimes and take a break from coaching and coordinating and all that shit :eek:

    The most rewarding part is seeing these kids just play - just as hard as they would for their clubs. The only differences is that they are not affraid to try new things on the field and there is a whole lot more of laughter and smiles!
     
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  14. OrangeCard

    OrangeCard Member

    Brazil
    Mar 14, 2018
  15. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Once again - Eclipse appear to be the only club in Illinois fielding any serious teams on the girls side that can compete nationally. I think FCU has to organize itself better, they have massive numbers so at this point it's an operational job now. Sockers brought their original NPL team + one. That team will basically be the 2005 DA team with some playing PA. They lost 2 and won one.

    Operationally I think at least on the girls side the club, they are going in a wrong direction. They are emulating the boys with 1/10th the amount of players. Down 3 teams they only have 11 this season - it will be even less this time next season. You simply cannot run it the way it's being run without logical (simple) changes that focus on retention and building out - something they never have had to worry about on the boys side. I think they are barely in the "best of the rest" at this point.
     
  16. OrangeCard

    OrangeCard Member

    Brazil
    Mar 14, 2018

    Aside from Eclipse's 03 DA, no IL team fared well in the national post season events- only one to make it out of DA pool play. I think only Libertyville won the watered-down MRL regional U14s? You addressed NPL. Also, rumor has it that some very good top HS players bolted from top Eclipse teams for Sockers and FCU. So I am not sure how competitive Eclipse B ECNL teams will be next year.
     
  17. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    3 girls teams qualified for the US Youth Soccer Nationals. We will see how the U14 Libertyville, U18 Campton and U19 NSA teams fare. NSA has plenty of DI talent on their roster.
     
  18. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    #569 VolklP19, Jul 17, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2018
    I would say traditionally however, Eclipse is the only club which has shown an ability to play at this level - often/recently - maybe not as much.

    I would expect a good deal of bouncing back and forth. Sockers are "actively recruiting" from Eclipse - so no surprise there. I would expect FCU would be doing the same but that is an assumtion - one that is likely not that far off.

    Libertyville as a whole has more depth then Sockers but they have always been a larger club on the girls side - too bad they were charging $150.00 per try out this season :rolleyes: I once was told by a parent that Libertyville was attempting to attain ECNL status. How? Apparently Wisconsin was going to lose theirs - something up with Lavers and Libertyville - but that again that came from a parent.

    Pipe dream but what a location that would be for ECNL!

    I just wonder what the magic sauce is from other states who are more consistently performing well on a regional/national level. Could be the climate but what else?
     
  19. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    All good teams... What happened to NSA however? They used to be a power house regionally.
     
  20. YNWA1986

    YNWA1986 Member

    Apr 22, 2011
    So three mainstays in Eclipse 01 DA and one of their 03 NT players have moved to Sockers in the last few weeks. Why would these players leave the best DA teams in Chicago last year to move to the worst? Something is up...
     
  21. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Sockers are recruiting - them. They did that with the 04 DA team and are looking to rebuild by way of recruiting.

    In 2-3 years they may have some of the top teams but the PA teams on down will be small and B level IWSL teams. That's what focusing on recruiting will get you.
     
  22. YNWA1986

    YNWA1986 Member

    Apr 22, 2011
    You could be right, but not sure its safe to assume that Sockers are "focusing" on recruiting. They never really have. Although policy could be changing now that Fire knicked 3 of their top 04 boys and one 05...

    Either way, the tide always tended to bring players from Sockers/FCU to Eclipse. Now it appears its going the other way. With all the hate being spewed about the DA and everyone championing ECNL, makes you question what would cause these players to leave. Wondering if anyone at Eclipse has some inside info?
     
  23. OrangeCard

    OrangeCard Member

    Brazil
    Mar 14, 2018
    Right, Good point. Campton must have qualified in National League but it is still disappointing that they lost to CUP/KHA's B team in regionals.
     
  24. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    #575 VolklP19, Jul 17, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2018
    "We are actively recruiting 365"

    That's the plan - proven for the 2004 group already and these moves would appear to support that. It's all about promises at this point. I suspect some may come and realize that the grass is not greener and some may find Sockers more to their liking. I also believe FCU and Eclipse at the top are likely doing the same.

    But that sort of approach does nothing downstream for your IWSL teams. For that the club needs to retain what they have left and build out by lowering prices and getting better resources in play. For example - it would be nice to have a female coach in the mix - one qualified to do so. They also need to stop focusing on training a type of soccer and start working to develop all players at at the younger ages. This means the one-size fits all approach needs to be tossed out the window. Will or can they do that? I guess that depends on parents who are willing to pay $2500-$2700 per season while they (club) figures out how to attract more players without recruiting.

    That's a lot of moolla for a club in transition is what I am saying. Libertyville, ELA, TC,Galaxy, CSA all look like more stable places to learn the technical components of the game at these younger ages.
     

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