News: Aigner terminates contract

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  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The author is making that statement based on nothing than his own assumption (or at least, when I talked to the writers about it on Friday they had no source). He might be right but I have my doubts. People don't just walk away from $2 million. If tomorrow or next week or something we hear Aigner has signed a new contract then I can see how this would be a $0 buyout. Short of that though (or some rule-bending by the league FO) I'm going to assume we're still on the hook for something this year.
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like somebody else has come over to my way of thinking ;)
     
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  3. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    Since speculation based on word of mouth from a few players is being referenced here, I will also share that based on what I heard recently from direct connections, some very notable figures in the lockerroom have also said "WTF?" about Hudson's coaching decisions and stubbornness (in private, at least). Then again, this isn't shocking. Anyone in their right mind (including my kids' goldfish) can figure out Hudson's system/tactics flaws and also see that he doesn't know how to adapt. We've all said "WTF?" many times all season. So, surely the players see that too. And frankly, Aigner probably saw that right away as well and possibly said something (speculation, but def. possible). Anyway, going down the path of a coach losing the lockerroom goes far beyond and far deeper than a pro-Aigner/anti-Aigner spat.

    Regardless, I'd also say that unless the above-posted rumors about players confronting Aigner are date-stamped, they don't mean too much. If the above interactions occurred after Hudson/Aigner had their initial falling out in private, and the relationship and behavior was already tainted with an eventual separation written on the wall, then the rumors don't hold much weight as Aigner may have already made his decision to bail from this ship and acted detached. Conversely, if these rumors about his behavior occurred first and CAUSED the issues, it's another story. But, until someone verifies that with observed facts and proof, the grains of salt stand in waiting in large quantities.

    The point is, we don't know. And we never will.

    The termination agreement likely included anti-disclosure and anti-disparagement clauses. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and quite complicated. Anyway, burnt out on it.

    Completely.

    Bottomline, we're left with an incompetent coach who lost 9 straight and may also lose the lockerroom if he hasn't already.
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the reports I've heard (from a reliabel source) is that Aigner quit on a game in preseason and mouthed off to Hudson during the game when Hudson called him on it.

    I don't want to whitewash how bad a coach Hudson is, but there's becoming a push from some fans to absolve Aigner of all blame and use this as another example of Hudson being crap. From what I'm hearing Aigner brought a lot of this on himself with his attitude. A good coach/GM should have been able to fix the problem, but there's a difference between being at fault for a problem and being responsible for fixing it.
     
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  5. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    We can debate who is to blame between Aigner and Hudson all season and still come to no better conclusion than we had on Day 1. Unless you know Hudson or Aigner, most of it is speculation, hearsay, or out of context.

    More importantly. Much more importantly...

    Even if Stefan Aigner had never been born, I would not hesitate to conclude that Anthony Hudson is failing miserably (again) as a club coach, has shown a penchant for being stubbornly set in his ways with player selections and tactics game after game, and has shown almost zero form of accountability for the bad results (he'd rather throw "the team" and "certain players" under the bus). Sprinkle in 9 straight losses, horrific form (statistically, some of the worst performance in MLS history the past two games), and little hope for things changing, and you have plenty of grounds for coach termination.

    Even in the absence of AignerGate, this is all I need to know to draw my conclusions of Anthony Hudson.

    And regardless of the blame game on AignerGate, the end result is that EVEN IF cap space is opened up via this contract termination, the value of the freed dollars of cap, TAM, or whatnot just dropped to being worth pennies on the dollar. Unless we pay double market value (figuratively), what marquee player would want to enter this clusterf*ck? A failing coach, cases of player/coach spats, potentially lost lockerroom, a failing FO/owner, and almost zero visible path to things getting better. Who would possibly sign up for that? (unless we way overpay their value, that is).
     
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  6. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder
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  7. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    In case anyone is wondering, the 12 worse teams:
    Eskilstuna - Sweden
    Sparta - Netherlands
    Motherwell - Scotland
    Ross Country - Scotland
    Bourg-en-Breese - France (second tier)
    Hamilton Academical - Scotland
    Brommapojkarna - Sweden
    Dundee - Scotland
    Sandefjord - Norway
    Start - Norway
    Partick Thistle - Scotland
    Karabukspor - Turkey
     
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  9. DavidJames

    DavidJames Member+

    May 11, 2003
    Longmont
    This.

    What possible benefit would players have to blame the coach.

    Reminds of another current topic in the news. When one side refuses to go public, the other side gets to sling as much mud as possible, hoping some will stick.

    Invariably, some does.
     
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  10. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    I would bet on the other clubs if they had to play head to head.
     
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  11. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    Nice. It would kinda be a round-robin tourney on the Isle of Misfit Toys. Awesome! The bottom 13 of the world’s 464!

    And you’re right, the other misfits like the Charlie-in-the-Box and the Cowboy that rides an ostrich would surely trounce the train with square wheels (a.k.a., the Rapids).

    [Apologies to those unfamiliar with the reference]
     
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  12. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    Isle of Dogs might be more appropriate.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5104604/

    A round-robin I would watch would be USA, Ireland, Netherlands, and Italy in a "Why Aren't We in Russia During the WC Break" tournament.
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aigner signs for German 3rd division side. Have fun playing in front of Switchbacks-sized crowds:
     
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  14. Sports Yak

    Sports Yak Member+

    Jul 17, 2007
    Lakewood
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Thanks for the update, Jason. I was just about ready to write (using my best Homer Simpson voice), "Take that ______!", but then I realized I didn't know any of the other teams. Although I would like to have a beer with Patrick Thistle; seems like a nice enough guy.
     
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  15. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    I've been to some Bundesliga 3 games (SV Wehen Wiesbaden). They're pretty fun.
     
  16. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    Well, I’d take that over not playing at all (because of a coach) on a poorly managed club that is running into the ground (because of a coach... among other things).

    Also, I’d add, that when you’re on the wrong side of 30, nearing retirement age, and married with kid(s), there are many other intangibles that can affect such pursuits (location of wife’s family, post-playing opps, etc.).

    In sum, I doubt the crowd size for Liga III was weighing on a family guy who took a job along the Rhine near Cologne/Düsseldorf.
     
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  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If this was the coach's fault, funny how he couldn't do better than a 3rd division contract. Its almost like there's the general feeling out there that he might be part of the problem or something..
     
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  18. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    1. Where did I say it was entirely the coach’s fault? The coach calls the XI and 18. And this coach chose not to feature him for unclear reasons. While of course both played a role, for Aigner, this spat was unique to this coach. Never happened before in Aigner’s career. So I stand by that.
    2. Define “a general feeling out there”. Pervasive? Documented? Or just one camp’s side? (rhetoricals).
    3. He’s long gone. Let it go. Move on.
    (at least until GashiGate starts).
     
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  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You first
     
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  20. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, I don't see any angle that makes Aigner look good in this. Disliking Hudson and the crappy state of the Rapids doesn't excuse him. The rats-jumping-ship explanations must always acknowledge that we're dealing with rats.
     
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  21. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    I can’t go first. I’m not the one who keeps posting posthumous Aigner jabs that warrant response.
     
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  22. Sports Yak

    Sports Yak Member+

    Jul 17, 2007
    Lakewood
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    This appears to be the perfect example of a case not being and either/or, but an and. Someone played it wrong and the other person through gas on it. Not sure who was first or second, but I'm not sure it makes a difference.

    I tend to blame Hudson for everything Rapids because the buck stops with him. Aigner is not responsible for the demise of the Rapids.
     
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  23. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    I'm jealous of Aigner.
     
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  24. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In recent weeks, 1860 fans have accused him of being a "mercenary" player. 1860 is his boyhood club by the way. Aigner definitely has a black eye to show for all this, and its hard to say it isn't deserved.
     
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  25. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    I don’t disagree. And he’ll end up dealing with his self-inflicted black eye on his own. But we’re still stuck with the other key player/contributor in this mess... a stubborn-ass coach who may likely do this again with other top-pay, top-skill players (awaiting GashiGate)... while continuing to play his subpar system players in every minute of every match and forcing other players into mismatched roles to fit his strict system (not to mention a litany of other questionable coaching decisions that are leading this club to the precipice).

    My point: With Aigner gone and back in D-land, there’s no point in continuing to cast blame on him when we’re stuck with much bigger problems here because of the other guy who helped prompt the Aigner debacle.
     
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