Atletico Nacional

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  1. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Almiron vuelve a perder una final en medellin.

    La verdad pienso que es un tecnico muy arrogante, menospreciaba el nivel de la liga y como nacional era mejor que todos. pca autocritica y hoy poco se presento.

    Con espiritu de “colonizador“ se puso a traer cuatro argentinos muy medianos al equipo......dandoles roles super importante (si se puede decir que ninguno fue un mal refuerzo, pero no son jugadores que marcan diferencia a gran punto).............


    Solo Campuzano es el unico jugador de nacional que fue traido este semestre que veo que puede tener futuro en la seleccion colombia y hacer una carrera destacada....

    Traer a lenis, renteria...es quitarle el chance a jugadores de la cantera para destacar.

    Por eso me alegra que haya ganado Gamero y no Almiron.


    Nacional iba ganar, pero a diferencia de los torneos con rueda....este campeonato carecio de buena direccion deportiva....iba ganar por ser el equipo con nomina mas grande.
     
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  2. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    La pura verdad. Nacional se llenó de paquetes este semestre. Una buena limpieza es los que le falta a este equipo. El primero en irse debería ser Almirón y despues sus paquetes argentinos, ganando sueldos de estrellas siendo muy mediocres.
     
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  3. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
  4. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Congratulations to Tolima, they did a wonderful job in Medellin but if we will be honest, it was Nacional who basically did everything they can in the last 10 minutes NOT to win the title. If it was Zuñiga's red, the counter attack we didn't finish and of course the sloppy header that Monetti didn't take. We were a minute away from a title and it's not fair to put it all on Almiron. I do agree that most of this team need to leave because they are not in the required level to play for Nacional, but not Almiron. I think he is a good coach despite the fact that we didn't play attractive futbol, however we did achieve results.

    I have no doubt that with the a better squad he will achieve more. Also Monetti. In general, he had a good tournament. Yes he made several mistakes, yes he had horrible one in the last minute. But if you remember how Armani started, you know that we don't crucify a player after 6 months. Castellani was good in most part of the season, while Braghieri wasn't so consistant as well as Delgado. But not just them. It wasn't the same Mac, same Henriquez. Nacional needs to replace several players of the veterans.

    I think that if Almiron would stay, Zuñiga can find a different team. For me, he is the most responsible for what happened today. And yes, Almiron lost two finals but he still gain experience and I actually like his approach. He is not responsible for players who miss clear chances. This loss is hurts only because it was in our hands but again, Tolima always believed in itself and made a huge comeback. Well-deserved champion.
     
  5. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I AM still crying :(
     
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  6. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Colombian Juventus can’t win them all.

    For guys calling for this dudes head. What coach to replace him?

    Also this team just got super super old

    They need a huge roster refresh sadly don’t really have anyone to sell this time around to finance it
     
  7. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    NONE. This what makes Nacional different from the rest. We need to continue this process with Almiron. He is a good coach. Yes we need to refresh the squad and try new guys. But the last thing that we need to do is to go in panic now and fire everyone.
     
  8. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    So is Nacional just going to buy all of Huila and Tolima?

    Waiting to hear half of each team gets signed :)
     
  9. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't think we should fire Almirón, But criticism is well deserved. We need to have a younger core, we are too old now.
     
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  10. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
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    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Agree. Everyone deserve a criticism for what we saw yesterday but I would put more on the players than on Almiron. Zuñiga, Aldo, Henriquez, Monetti, all had bigger part than Almiron regarding yesterday's horror.
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #3161 pepinointer, Jun 10, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2018
    No creo que nadie este buscando quien es el culpable o quien es mas culpable que otro.....o a quien se debe despedir o no.

    pero me parece que lo de nacional y almiron fue un fracaso en construccion a lo largo del semestre. como dice el refran" cosechas lo que siembra".

    primero almiron a diferencia de los tecnicos argentinos que han llegado aqui ultimamente llego a "colonizar" trayendo 4 argentinos con carreras mediocres en argentina y sin proyeccion. ( no son los.mejores del fpc en su posicion).

    Almiron se la paso 6 meses menospreciando el futbol collmbiano y diciendo como nacional estaba tan encima de todos.....al final perdio DOS finales en seia meses de local..

    En argenrina durante estos 6 meses dijeron muxhos rumores de equipos argentimos que querian al tecnico y periodiatas replicaban que el solo queria mejorar su hoja de vida estando en nacional pero buscaria volver a corto plazo....algo de cierto debe poner

    Lo otro viene como la direccion deportiva selecciono los refuerzos:



    4 argentinos que no conoce nadie y que al final no son los.mejores de sus posiciones en la liga.

    lenis que venia de fracasar en brasil

    topo renteria un prestamo caro de mexico..

    que juveniles o de inferiores estan jugando?

    obviamente almiron no se debe ir, pero debe replantearse muchas cosas.....lo de huila, delfin, bolivar...son otros partidos que el equipo se vio mal


    por que no dio la cara previa a la final y tampoco despues de la final??

    a mi modo de ver este nacional no esta constryendo nada a largo plazo....no esta armando un equipo
     
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  12. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Huila y Tolima no son destacados por sus"excelentes" jugadores....es por un proceso continuo y un trabajo.importante de grupo de sus enrrenadores craviotto o gamero.

    de hecho cuentan con jugadores viejos que no seria buen negocio comprarlos por nadie ( mayer, robayo, torijano, banguero)

    tambien hay jugadores promiosrios y buenos pero no son mas de 3...y no necesariamenre mejores que lucumi o los jugadores jovenes de nacional.

    villa ya se va a boca

    monetti es un gran portero

    Nacional deberia construir su equipo....no llenarse de jugadores nuevos de torneos de 6 meses
     
  13. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I could not agree more with you pepino...

    I am pretty sure de won't last long in Libertadores either. Specially if we hace yo rely on Dayro every single ********ing game because no one else can score with a free hooker :mad:...
     
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  14. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    well surely you'll be able to get past Tucuman. However there are some real tough teams so not sure how far.

    are colombian teams able to make signings now or is it only for the europeans?
     
  15. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Don't be so sure, Tucuman did a hell of a trouble to their rivals in the group stage. Anyway, I believe that we will get some decent reinforcements for the second tournament.
     
  16. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    nothing is for certain but Atl Nacional should have the pedigree of winning when it matters...(although they just choked vs Tolima).
     
  17. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    But lets not diminish Tolima's effort.. they went to Medellín and won... They deserved praise.


    We should hace won... But that is why the games are played
     
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  18. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Without a doubt. Tolima did a wonderful job and Gamero is an excellent coach, I always liked him since his Chico's days. Glad he has his recognition. All the terms were suppose to be in our favor (didn't lost at home in 35 matches, didn't receive a single goal at Atanasio this semester) and we blew it.

    Our president talked yesterday and we have several news already:

    • * Renteria will return to Mexico
    • * We terminate the contract of Roderick Miller and close to terminate Cristian Bonilla's contract as well.
    • * Diego Arias & Edwin Velasco close to sign with Caldas on loan
    • * Ronaldo Lucena was loaned to Tachira.
    • * There was a rumor regarding us trying to bring back Copete (I don't understand why) but he is too expensive.
    • * Macnelly most probably won't continue.
     
  19. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  20. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Chévere las mejoras pero ese estadio lo deberían demoler ... Obviamente nunca pasará...
     
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  21. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Por qur Zuñiga, Monetti ni almiron han dado la cara???
     
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  22. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they are hiding :whistling:
     
  23. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Nunca habia visto algo asi por lo menos en colombia...de un tecnico.
     
  24. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Actually I agree with you. Yeah it sucks to lose this way but we deserve his comment. I less care about Zuñiga or Monetti but Almiron had to talk. Kinda disappointing.
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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    Dont know this guy along his coach.......since their arrival to colombia just have talked bad about colombian football, understimating the league.......etc,...
    Now this.......
     
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