I'm assuming you meant to say "the sad thing" in that part in bold. And probably "non event" in that other part in bold. Of course, I'm the village idiot in this exchange, so I shouldn't really be correcting you on simple grammar, should I? Oh well, I'm used to your complete lack of self-awareness so, it's ok. At least you land your insults with the correct grammar. Furthermore, those red cards never/rarely come in the Champions League Final and/or Semi Finals. Again you're being a dishonest asshole by acting as though what happens in the average La Liga game (Ramos gets red carded) also happens at the UCL Final and/or the Semi Finals. Dishonesty is the only trick you have up your sleeve: what an imbecile you are. And indeed: It was an unfortunate injury, after a very ugly, abnormal, wrestling-like, cynical attempt at "shaking up" Salah. Again: the intent itself, assuming it was just a "shake him up" intent, is normal... it is how Ramos went about doing that that is rightfully being criticized across the footballing world. But please do continue ignoring the obvious reality. Please continue to believe that the footballing world stupidly believes that Ramos "practiced a judo chop" and that he was saving it for that occasion. It's not an honest depiction of what the world actually thinks, but if it helps confirm your bias that the rest of the world is just looking for stupid excuses to hate on Sergio Ramos or discredit Real Madrid's "clean" record, then more power to you you f-cking steaming pile of shit. And by the way: If Salah didn't get injured, it would've been yet another yellow-card-incident in a Final by Ramos. Ramos seems to get one yellow card out of every 4-5 yellow cards that he would get if the VAR was implemented. Do you even watch the games? What a f-cking moron you are.
Smaller / weaker is irrelevant. You can be smaller and charge a player from the back. Plus, flipping someone as in Judo is not about being bigger or smaller, it's about leverage. I am only describing what I see in that replay. Salah trying to body Ramos off has again nothing to do with smaller/bigger. It doesn't mean he is being violent. You can easily push off a bigger person if they are in an unstable / unbalanced position and in movement. Salah is just fighting for position. Again, Ramos putting his arm in front of Salah is not an uncommon move to gain position. Then he stretches his leg to get the ball, at that point he is in an unbalanced position. Salah defends himself by leaning into Ramos. He also does hook his arm. I don't see where Ramos hook onto his arm is actually pulling Salah towards him. Sorry but that's clear from a couple of angles. And nothing forces Salah to hook his arm into Ramos. He could have easily slid his arm from underneath. What you can argue is that when Ramos realizes he is falling he wants to make sure he brings Salah down with him. So I think I do see that Ramos intentionally tucks his arm in a little bit more to lock Salah's arm and bring him down with him. I think that's entirely possible. I am not sure that's necessarily that dirty.
I have it for 1957, not 1959. Just to make one observation as well. The retrospective on which South Americans might have won the award was just one article from one guy. It wasn’t France Football doing a comprehensive reassessment of who should have won.
It's in the shown link to the original article https://www.francefootball.fr/news/1959-alfredo-di-stefano/422780 "Alfredo Di Stefano, lui, a compris, qui s'est hissé au rang de premier footballeur du monde parce qu'il demeure le premier « ouvrier-patron » du football."
Zidane since his appointment in 2016 😱UEFA Champions League 🏆🏆🏆UEFA Super Cup 🏆🏆Club World Cup🏆🏆Liga 🏆Spanish Super Cup 🏆#UCLfinal pic.twitter.com/XVF1LM5aJI— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) May 26, 2018 This record is insane - 3 for 3. He already has as many CLs as Carlo, the most sucessfull manager in Champions. 1000763517832744960 is not a valid tweet id
Enough with some random "judo master" comment. It's ridiculous. It doesn't take a genius to see that if you fall while locking and twisting person's arm you can easily injure them.
Oh my god, why are you trying so hard to convince yourself about such a self-evidently wrong notion? Yes, Salah did pushed-and-shoved a tiny bit as is absolutely normal in football, but then Ramos locked Salah's arm in, immobilized Salah's lower right limb mobility by blocking Salah's right leg (ensuring that Salah could not manipulate his fall so that he would fall under Ramos, with Ramos landing on top of Salah, but at least with Salah landing WITH BOTH ARMS taking the impact, which would not have resulted in a serious injured for Salah), and then basically wrestled Salah into the ground, ensuring that Salah was going to take a strong hit to his exposed left shoulder, neck, and face. You could easily kill a human being doing something like that. A strong enough neck-snap would do it. Again: wrestling-defending to that extreme is absolutely not normal, not in this era, not in any era since 1990 at the very least. When Ramos realizes he is falling?? Dude... Ramos was in absolutely no danger of "falling" at any point in that play, it was a DIVE by Ramos, Ramos orchestrated his so-called "fall" and then made sure that Salah's exposed neck, face, and left shoulder, would hit the ground HARD. Look at what Ramos does with his legs: he deliberately stumbles against Salah's right leg, takes out Salah's right leg, deliberately locks-and-holds Salah's right arm in place, takes out Salah's right arm, and then when he realized that he was falling (because he obviously orchestrated the whole thing) he made sure that Salah would land hard on his face, neck, and exposed left shoulder. A classic wrestling-move. Meant for wrestling, which is largely a fake and staged sport, in fact more of a spectacle, more of a reality television show, than an actual sport. It isn't a surprise that when said wrestling-tactics are used in an actually real sport, not a staged sport, that you get a dislocated shoulder and possibly a snapped neck, that is, a serious case of whiplash (read: neck injury) which will definitely take you out for 90 minutes, let alone for the remaining 66 minutes of the game. Dude, if I didn't know any better I'd consider you a Real Madrid troll... At any rate, the facts are evident: Salah "hooked his arm" into Ramos, precisely because Ramos took out Salah's legs, by the time Ramos decided to "unlock" Salah's right arm, it was already well too late for Salah to do much of anything to save his exposed left shoulder which was guaranteed to take the brunt of the fall. Salah was inevitably going to experience a heavy and a dangerous impact against the ground, his face, his neck, and his exposed left shoulder, were going to hit the ground hard regardless of whatever Salah tried to do to save himself, and it was obvious that Salah somewhat "hooked his right arm" trying to lessen or mitigate the dangerous impact of what was already looking like a very dangerous wrestling-move. You are making the generously gullible mistake of ignoring what Ramos deliberately did to Salah's lower limbs -- deliberately blocked and stumbled Salah's right leg, at the same time that he locked-and-held Salah's right arm, ensuring that Salah could only possibly land HARD against the left shoulder that was left exposed, against his exposed neck, and against his exposed face -- again none of that is normal defending. Salah could've additionally suffered a dangerous neck injury to complement with his dislocated shoulder. Pushing-and-shoving is normal in football. Wrestling-and-locking is not. Exposing a player's neck, face, and shoulder, is not only not normal in football, it would be dangerous in any setting, including many martial arts. The video proves that beyond any reasonable doubt. At any rate: It was very sad to witness a clean footballer like Salah getting caught off guard and cheated by a common thug like Sergio Ramos. But hey, Ramos is the champion that modern football fans deserve, to be honest. The real fans went to see Salah and Ronaldo do something memorable, instead, Ronaldo did nothing which is nothing surprising (as was also the case in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and now 2018), and Salah wasn't allowed to do anything, seeing how Ramos took him out with the defensive equivalent of a sniper shot. Well at least Bale gave the fans something to remember, though that still wasn't quite enough to compensate for the feeling of injustice, after Ramos won the game in minute 24 of the game: not by being a good defender, but by being a good wrestler. I guess the sport is trashy now that trash is considered normal. I'm additionally quite saddened by the fact that a knowledgeable fan like yourself can't see a plainly evident fact captured on video. If you can't see that, it's not hard to imagine the idiocies that idiotic fans will impose upon the rest of us. "Fake news." As the average Donald Trump supporting idiot would attest to. It's a crazy world these days. NOTE: Can you please show me another example of a defender, make that a star defender at that, doing a wrestling-move like that in a Champions League Final and/or a Champions League Semi Final? You probably can't readily offer such an example, in fact you'd probably not even find such an example after days of looking to find one, because it obviously isn't a normal occurrence in this sport nor in any other sport not Rugby.
How low can you get? I bet everyone here can see those words (said instead of sad, and invent instead of event) and understand how this can happen. But that doesn't mean you've stopped being an idiot, because that one you cannot run away from, it defines you. Why do you want Ramos to be red carded in specific games, and what valid reasons do you have that warrant him to be red carded in the CL finals or semis? Players get cautioned for fouls committed, not because an obsessed idiot on bigsoccer feels they should be red carded. Your obvious bias against anything you don't support makes you incapable of constructing any rational argument in cases such as this one. No matter how much you can try to twist it, this remains an unfortunate injury for Salah, and there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that this was premeditated by Ramos . Deal with it and stop throwing tantrums unnecessarily. On second thought, start a petition for Ramos to be imprisoned to make you feel better.
What I love about Real Madrid winning three CL trophies in a row is that for many years modernists were boasting about the unheard of level of competitiveness of the modern era of football by stating that it would never be possible ever again to see a club win two, yet alone three, successive CL trophies and that this was only possible in the semiprofessional, uncompetitive era of the old European Cup .... but of course some media people are already starting to eugolize this Real Madrid team ....
I believe football shifted from unheard level of competivness into "the richest teams are getting richer" which explains the fact that psg has last 5 out of 6 leagues, juve has last 7, bayern as well.. thongs like that didnt happen before. Big teams now have resources to literally buy competition. There was also never as distinct difderence between top 6 in epl as it has been past 2 seasons. NBA is having the type of system that assures you that new faces will come and go on top of the league, those days for football has been long gone. They are gone since the significant amount of money have started to be invested in clubs. I reckon it will only get worse from now on.
At least the EPL has 6 teams fighting for the title. That's what makes it more interesting than Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 or even La Liga (which boils down to a few clinch games in a season).
The funny thing is that when this was being repeated most often (i.e. around 2011), was the time when the CL was actually lacking in terms of competition. Since then, at least the rise of Juventus and Atletico along with a more well rounded Real Madrid, has made the competition a bit more diverse and unpredictable (in spite of Real Madrid's recent success, one might say). Still think though that goalscoring has become markedly easier and defensive ability has gone down a few notches since the beginning of the CRonaldo/Messi era. So many goalscoring records being broken in the last 10 years, even by players not named CRonaldo/Messi (Ibrahimovich, Suarez, Higuain, Lewandowski, Salah). It's beginning to look like the late 50s/early 60s in terms of goalscoring, at this point in time. I have been wondering for some time, whether this aspect will impact the WC this year.
Carlo Ancelotti is the proper comparison. Can be compared in style and strengths, can be compared in achievement profile (strong in tournaments, less so in the league). At the dawn of the superleague era (for club and country) they're all searching for a proper mascot and figurehead. Adidas protege Zidane, linked as well to the Marseille/Dreyfus cabal, might be that symbol they need, connecting all the necessary dots and ticking many useful boxes. All the symbols connect so well together with him. He's almost perfect for being the overarching figure. Zidane has the institutions and ruling powers working for him; someone like Cruijff had it often working against him, and was facing the sabotaging institutions. Pep wasn't an assistant. Zidane was considered a bit of a mascot when he took the job, even by people at Madrid. Nobody expected him to do what he has done.— Rory Smith (@RorySmith) May 23, 2018
It would be two horse race there as well if Barca and Real played there, or Bayern... Btw, let's just wait for few years to see what City can do... it might turn into one team league. Tho thats very difficult in England because everyone spends a lot.
I dont see it as a drop in quality, but rather a change in mentality. Game is played differently, and it's still in the process of finding an optimal way of playing.the game. What caused the change is another topic..
he already won one liga in only 2 full seasons .. dont get ahead of yourself.. His coaching career just started.
Guess that's another way to look at it. Maybe it is cyclical and this era of high scoring will lead to a 2nd era of cynicism and harsh fouling followed by another more balanced era of high competition with few completely standout names.
Agree it is premature to reach a verdict but that works both ways. In 2015-16 he was fortunate Atletico lost the penultimate match, otherwise that had been a 3rd place finish for Real Madrid as well (same place as when he took the job halfway season).
If you win la liga with over 90 pts there is nothing fortunate about it. And 15-16 is the year he took over the team mid-season btw. I think you got your seasons messed up.
Both Ancelotti and Cruyff were slow starters as managers though (in terms of league trophies), going approximately 5 seasons with title contender teams, without actually winning a league title. So maybe we probably need to look elsewhere to find a comparable managerial career to Zidane's. Does it really matter considering that it would still have been only a single point off the top place though? By the above logic, 3 of Cruyff's 4 la liga title victories as a manager are suspect considering his league victories were achieved due to Real Madrid's final day point drops in 91/92 and 92/93 as well as a similar instance seen in case of Deportivo la Coruna in 93/94.
I swear it, every time that @Estel shares an opinion, it's the wrong opinion, due to obvious reasons. In 2011, England was still winning the Champions League Final or at least playing the Champions League Final (2008, 2009, 2011, and 2012), Italy was still winning the Champions League Final or at least playing the Champions League Final (2007 and 2010), etc. The only actual reason why @Estel is specifically discrediting 2011, is to discredit Barcelona 2008-2012, an era in which the Champions League was won by AC Milan 2007, Manchester United 2008, Barcelona 2009, Inter Milan 2010, Barcelona 2011, Chelsea 2012, Bayern Munich 2013 -- different clubs from different countries. So according to Estel, when the UCL was lacking quality, was when the UCL was being won by different clubs from different countries. Apparently, it is a sign of improvement when the Champions League is won by Real Madrid 2014, Barcelona 2015, Real Madrid 2016, Real Madrid 2017, and Real Madrid 2018. Furthermore, Juventus and Atletico Madrid have not made the UCL more diverse nor more unpredictable in terms of the final outcome, due to the fact that Juventus and Atletico Madrid both lack the depth that is required to actually win the Champions League, unlike Manchester United 2008-2011, Chelsea 2004-2008, Inter Milan 2008-2010, Bayern Munich 2010-2018, all of which had sufficient depth to actually win a UCL Final, a fact that Estel is too biased to even begin to understand/entertain. Another fact that Estel is too biased to entertain or admit: Barcelona has declined over the years, which has a lot to do with Atletico Madrid's miracle results in the Champions League. The result is Real Madrid winning against every club not Barcelona. I'm sorry but those are not the symptoms of a strong era of Champions League football. That's an interesting thought, for a change. Albeit the World Cup still retains a lot of the defensive nature -- the KO stage in the World Cup is always a lot more cautious, compared to the seemingly care-free Champions League. The same is true for the Euro and the Copa America, I'd argue.