Official 2018 Nadeshiko Japan Thread [R] - なでしこジャパン(英語スレッド)

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  1. blissett

    blissett Member+

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    Oh, ok. I know that clubs aren't allow to use the international during FIFA windows, even if their tournament finished in advance, but probably, since the final of Asian Cup had already taken place on Friday, the FIFA window had been already closed, so Ji so-Yun, who had most likely come back in England soon after the 5th-place match, was allowed to play.

    Saki was probably allowed to play too, but WCL's semi-final, in this case, was too much close to the final of Asian Cup 2 days before.
     
  2. blissett

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    As usual, some updates from the clubs where our overseas players currently are:

    - I won't add much about OL, since @Manchester Nadeshiko and @KAPIJXM already updated us about their Champions' League semifinal. I guess a 0-0 score in Manchester can be considered a decent result, but the second leg remains very open. Wolfsburg are virtually already in the final, so we're going to see if we'll get a third final in three years for OL (and a repeat of the OL-Wolfsburg final from 2016) or if Manchester will somehow manage to make an upset happen (as strong as they can be considered, I guess Manchester City will anyway play the underdogs to the club that dominated Europe in the last two seasons).

    - Talking about Champions' League, it's really hard to imagine that it was just 2015 when 1.FFC Frankfurt won that competition by defeating PSG in the final: three years later, the ruins of that team are completely collapsing in Frauen-Bundesliga. :unsure: Out of desperation, they even put Yokoyama on the pitch yesterday, just two days after her final at AFC Asian Cup: she was subbed-in at 61' (you can see her shake hands with opponents at the end of the game in video-highlights), about 10 minutes after her team had gone behind by 0-1 in an home match vs 1.FFC Turbine Potsdam. Sadly, the result stayed. :unsure: Ok, Kumi didn't play for very long at WAC, but you usually don't use a player who's back from a very demanding week of matches in a big international tournament just two days after the end of that tournament, when she's just joined the team, unless you're really hopeless: that's how Frankfurt is right now. They're now 6th in the rankings, and they really haven't much to ask from the rest of the season. I do wonder if they are serious about re-building the team or if wouldn't be better for Kumi to try and find another home... :cautious:
    Highlights: https://tv.dfb.de/video/highlights-1-ffc-frankfurt-vs-turbine-potsdam/21400/

    - Meanwhile Erina Yamane collects another shutout, since yesterday Real Betis won by 0-1 an away game vs Madrid CFF and she was on the pitch the whole game. Since we found Yamashita as a probable starter, maybe it's too late for her to chase a place for WWC 2019, but anyway let's see if she keeps doing quite well in Liga Fémenina. :coffee:
     
  3. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

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    WARNING: This post is going to be long, but here are my thoughts on the final.

    Although I agree with you, I think he makes a valid point. In other games when Australia have lost to Nadeshiko, it has been Nadeshiko controlling the game, but in the final I think Australia played better than Nadeshiko and controlled the game for long passages of play. In the group game it was pretty even, though I think Nadeshiko were a little bit better, particularly in the second half where they started to play some very nice football.

    This goes back to my main worry concerning Nadeshiko in that good teams are putting a lot more pressure on them when they have the ball, which means they often give the ball away too easily and they get overrun in midfield. It puts a lot more pressure on the defence when your team does not have the ball.

    However, Nadeshiko rode their luck and took their opportunity in the match. Also Nadeshiko defended well and were on the whole fairly well organised and made it difficult for the Australians to score.

    For all of Australia's possession they really only had two good chances to score and one of them was a penalty. As the game went on the more I believed Nadeshiko were likely to win.

    Australia had I think 23 shots on goal:
    7 - off target
    16 - on target, but 10 of those were blocked

    Leaving only six real chances on goal (shots from inside the box) with most of them coming in the first fifteen minutes. Also as the game progressed Australia's shots were more likely to be speculative shots from outside the box or shots that were blocked. Australia also only had one corner for the entire game, despite their "domination".

    They (Australia) had a lot of possession, but they did not really do a lot with it.

    Anyway, Nadeshiko have an exciting year ahead of them and I think Takakura has a much better idea of which players she can use, or maybe she knew all along? I think the back four of Shimizu, Kumagai, Ichise and Sameshima are her first choice, but after that the midfield and forwards pose much more of a difficult problem in my opinion.

    We will see, but I would like to see some of the Under 20's used a lot more in games over the next year.

    Here endeth the essay!
     
  4. blissett

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    And a very good one at that! :thumbsup:

    I agree with most of what you said. Nadeshiko have always been a "possession team" (at least for as long as I followed them): the good news is that now they showed that they can also win games where they don't dominate possession; the bad news, of course, is that it's anyway more difficult for them to dominate possession as they were doing in the past, when they could sport supreme technical players as Miyama or Sawa (as an aside: another similarity between 2014 and 2018 Asian Cups is that in both circumstance we got the MVP award of the tournament: Miyama back then, Iwabuchi now; probably not a case that, despite very different ages, they were both veterans from 2011, the real "golden generation" of our football).

    As @hirohiro mentioned, one of the problems is that Sakaguchi, while still being an exceptional player in many regards, doesn't use to hold the fort as well as she was doing in the past and gives away too many easy balls: she's not actually declining as much as other holding midfielders in the women's football (see an older and more and more aging Lloyd in USWNT), but we can't really count on her seamless contribute and we have to start taking some "bad days at the office" into account.

    In my opinion, we have to work in two directions: 1) tinkering (a little, not as extensively as in the past two years) with personnel and formation to find ways to get back more possession vs "difficult" teams; 2) finding ways to "sting" more, with quick and unforgiving actions that can punish those teams that press us a lot and win possession but keep bouncing off our good defense. In this regard, the match vs Australia was a textbook one: yes, they out-possessed us and they out-shot us, but look at how much sharp and neat our two big chances in the game were: in both cases (Iwabuchi-Hasagawa in 1st half and Hasegawa-Yokoyama in 2nd half), we were suddenly in their box in the bat of an eyelash, we cut their defense in half and we subsequently had a powerful and accurate shot; in 1st half it was saved by GK with her fingertips, in 2nd half it was a goal. That's exactly the kind of actions that we have to be able to execute when we are under pressure from a good team: good technical players like Iwabuchi, Hasegawa, Yokoyama, or Nakajima (this last one if she's not in a day where she "pushes" it and randomly spreads balls all around the pitch) can do it, and can train to do it even better and more often. Other players (Mina Tanaka, Sugasawa), I am not sure about, since they don't have the same technical savvy (or they don't use to show it in key-games, when it most counts): but they can anyway be trained with the "concept".

    In my opinion, this is a very important strategy to have in our bag of tricks, and one that can save our day even when things are looking quite bad for us.

    I'll add that Hasegawa (and here I give credit once again to Pierre Bezuchov :notworthy:) is in my opinion the perfect player for this kind of actions, especially for two qualities of her: scorching quickness and excellent technique. She's rapid enough to make fast transitions to opponent's half possible and her control of the ball gives her an edge over opponent defenders.
    All of Nadeshiko Japan's team normally showcases superior technique, but some of Hasegawa's skills are on another level: for instance, look at her ability to trap the ball; she can basically tame all the passes, no matter how fast or lobbed they are.

    A typical case is the action of our goal: did you notice, guys, that the action of our goal came from a direct long kick from our defense (I guess even from Yamashita, although I should check that)? Well, the long ball was dropping from the sky: Hasegawa just trapped it as if it was natural to her, directioned it out of reach from Aussie defenders, let it roll in front of her and then found the perfect assist for Yokoyama; all that in a single, quick, seamless action that took much more time to me to describe than for her to make. This is the kind of technique we need.

    By the way: although it is "just for the eye", because the subsequent action wasn't very effective, if you want to look at some piece of technique that will make your heart beat, go back at Lechus7's highlights, skip at about 29':05", at look at what Hasegawa is able to do.

    Well, I notice I wrote quite the essay too. Hope it's not too long to read for you, guys. :p
     
  5. #5nadeshikofan

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    Is it possible that Takakura wanted to play defensive to tire the Australians out? From Lechus summary, it seemed like Nadeshiko was holding back. They defended for the first 30 minutes (the now apparent usual time to set up their game) and started fairly aggressive counters in the last 15 minutes with Hasegawa and Iwabuchi. But still standing strong in the back.The defenders seemed well prepared for the onslaught. That was also the time our possession improved.
    In second half, Japan clearly continued to push, leaving Australia with less ideas how to get past the strong defense (The left was very effective - Shark and all ;) ).
    The Joker (Yokoyama) was well played - as we know.
    I think this was part of the strategy - implement a strong defense and to slowly increase the pressure, ignoring statistics.
    Hasegawa had a good game and seems to have arrived with the ‚big girls‘. And Yamashita was outstanding.
     
  6. blissett

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    Yes, having a very good GK to complement our defensive package is essential to this kind of strategy, and this is one of the things that we often missed in the past. Let's hope Yamashita (who is still very young) has by now permanently reached a different level too (I remember some howlers from her in the past, and even in the final she anyway let the ball slip from her hands that would have led to PK: for sure she got better and better lately, but she's just 22 and she still has room for improvement :ninja:).
     
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  7. blissett

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    Hey, guys, I finally found a video with almost all of the award ceremony that most of us missed from Asahi-TV feed being cut. :geek:

    I say "almost", because the first part, with Fair Play Award to Japan and MVP Award to Iwabuchi is still missing, but the sequence with medals and trophy for us is complete. Looks like the weather was quite cold and/or windy in Jordan, that night, because most girls look like they're freezing when they have to stand still (Sameshima, indeed, is wearing her trademark long sleeves! :laugh:).

    Dozens of little details to notice, in this good HD video; I'll mention just one: look at Takakura's accurate manicure at about 10':24" at at her beautiful ring (a birthday present? :geek:).

     
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  8. Sirtel

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    @blissett do you know if this tournament gets any live coverage?
     
  9. blissett

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    #1809 blissett, Apr 23, 2018
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    Mmm, I am not sure: I didn't find any specific mention of live coverage on the website, nor on main TV-channels schedules.

    It is possible that some local channel covers it, but I've got no additional info about that so far.

    I can furtherly look for info in the next days, although I have to say that, despite recent good result of our National Team, women's football doesn't get much coverage here in Italy. :unsure:

    Edit: of course, you'll have noticed the YouTube channel of the tournament, but it has just a promotional video, at the moment, and it doesn't mention any future updates.
     
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  10. blissett

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    Meanwhile, Kawasumi celebrates Asuna Tanaka's 30th birthday on her blog. I guess we were aware about the fact that she's corrently playing in South Korea, weren't we? :cautious:
     
  11. blissett

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    #1811 blissett, Apr 24, 2018
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    It seems like a good time like any other to rewatch this, isn't it? :p (Even if PK shooutout is just an abridged version)

     
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  12. Lechus7

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    If we are walking down memory alley then recent match with Australia reminded me very much of Germany - Japan game from WWC 2011. Having lion share of possesion Germany had only few clear cut chances to score in that match and finally were undone by Maruyama fantastic goal in e.t. Neid said after that game that even if match would last another 90 minutes, Germany would not score such was the resilience of Nadeshiko players that day. I think it also applies to AFC final this week :)

    On a side note I'm lookig for that match with english commentary (Eurosport, BBC etc.) if anyone has it could I trouble you to share it? Thx.
     
  13. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

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    I agree I think at times Nadeshiko were much more direct and at times it did catch the Australians off-guard. However, I still think the main focus of their play should be possession based interspersed with more direct football for the reasons you describe above. Nadeshiko's play towards the end of Sasaki's tenure was possession based, but often with very slow movement, which meant opposition teams had time to set their defense and stop Nadeshiko from scoring.

    In the final, though it was worrying to me how nervously they played and how often and easily they gave away the ball. I think it was a mixture of Australia playing much better and many of Nadeshiko's players having a bad day. But the two goal scoring opportunities you cite were more down to individual brilliance by one or two players than a team effort. I suppose it does not matter how you score them as long as you score....Again I agree being more direct is important for Nadeshiko, but more as a tactic done to keep opposition teams guessing and on their toes.

    But I thought the way Nadeshiko played against China in the semi-final and Australia in the second half of the group stage was a lot better and had a good mixture of movement with possession. They were not on the back foot for long passages in these games and did move the ball directly at times.

    Hasegawa is so talented. I really hope she continues to improve.

    Shimizu still has a way to go, but I like the way she plays. She also is a very good header of the ball, which makes me think she could play more centrally in defense if she wanted to.

    I liked the use of Sugasawa. Being much taller than the other Nadeshiko forwards she gives opposition teams something different to think about. I hope they continue to use her.
     
  14. blissett

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    Of course. It's just that lately we couldn't seem to add this direct football tactic to our repertoire (maybe because of the lack of that "individual brilliance" you were talking about) and this looked as a very important missing piece to our puzzle.
    I agree that it anyway has to be just a tactic, while our general strategy has to remain possession-based "good football". :)

    Yes, although I remember Sugasawa making a better use of her height around 2014-2015, when she was scoring much more with headers, both in the league and in NT. We will always be at a disadvantage vs "western" teams in that regard and for sure we can't become a team that relies on crossing high balls and look for the header, but I would like if we could make a better use of Sugasawa potential aerial game. :coffee:
     
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  15. blissett

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    Sirtel, I am sorry: I did my best today to contact organization of the tournament but their e-mail address doesn't work (my mail is rejected because that address doesn't seem to exist) and their phone-number is apparently a fax! :confused:

    I'll look around if anything surfaces in these days, while the tournament starts and goes on, but at the moment it looks like I can't really be of much help despite living in Italy. :unsure: Oh, and I can't go checking in person either: Gradisca is anyway at about 400 Km from Milano and I can't really find the time to go there these days.
     
  16. blissett

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    Actually, in this interview that was published on AFC website before the semi-finals, Yui says that she reached Senior National team about two years later that she was aiming for! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
    She looks so sweet on the surface, but actually she has to be the very competitive type and she admits that herself. Also, it looks like her transition to Senior NT didn't surprise anyone in her family or entourage. :p
    Also, the relationship with Takakura seems really strong, if she uses the term "her children" while referring to her U-20 NT generation (but of course I am not sure if the word that was used in Japanese was equally connoted).
    She agrees that speed on the pitch is one of her strong points, but she doesn't mention her technique also.

    I just recently discovered that there was a whole series of interviews on the AFC website: of course, the most charming and fascinating interview is Sameshima's one :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:, but there were others also (Rika Masuya, Mina Tanaka, Saori Ariyoshi, Rumi Utsugi; the latter was probably the only one that I had already posted here, just before the tournament). Maybe they could now be considered obsolete, for what concerns questions about the tournament itself, but I guess they can still contain useful or interesting informations.

    (Also interesting it's this Alanna Kennedy's interview: apparently Aussies were hoping to dominate us physically, to score early goals, and to get revenge for 2014 final. I'd say their plan was obvious, but things didn't exactly go according to their plan :giggle:).

    (For Korea/INAC fans, there must be also Ji So-Yun or Lee Min-A interviews somewhere on that list :giggle:).
     
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  17. unepommekun

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    She has often played as a CB along with Iwashimizu in Beleza these days.
    And when she happened to play as a CMF in one game last year, as I wrote about it at that time, much to my amazement her play was indeed splendid, a typical box-to-box one.
     
  18. unepommekun

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    Although I don't know if you know about it, Japan men's NT coach Vahid Halilhodžić was fired mainly or probably because his direct football was not suited for Japan at all.:)

    This, possession or not, might be an ever-lasting challenge for Japan regardless of sex.
    The answer would be a mixture, or both.:p
     
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  19. zaku_II

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    #1819 zaku_II, Apr 24, 2018
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    Remember some days ago, Blisset found a Chilean María José Rojas who will play for Orca Kamogawa?
    I found another conection with Japan, she scores against them in a tournament in Chile in 2010 at 25s (same match 1-1 where Endler stopped a PK from Miyama)

     
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  20. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

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    Okay, that is good to know. She is a really interesting player, and I think with a lot of room for improvement, despite already being so good.

    Nadeshiko is very lucky to have players that can play in many different positions, though it is due in part to the way they bring them through at the junior level.
     
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  21. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

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    If you go on youtube you can watch the entire group stage match between Nadeshiko and Matildas with English commentary. What you notice is the respect the commentators have for Hasegawa and Iwabuchi. Particularly one of the injured Australian players who has played against her at all levels of competition.
     
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  22. blissett

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    I had forgotten that! :eek: Christiane Endler sure is something special: how many GKs can say they stopped a Miyama's PK? Maybe not even Solo.
     
  23. blissett

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    Yes: probably you remember about U-17 WWC 2014 in Costa Rica, where Takakura, despite winning the whole tournament in style, was having fun playing girls in totally unpredictable positions. If I remember well, she had taken Rana Okuma, a striker at the time, and she had changed her into a Center-Back (position where she could exploit her height and her header-technique). Not sure if anyone can mention other examples, but in that tournament Japan was really looking like a "total football" team alike men's Netherlands in the '70s, where basically every player could take any role on the pitch.

    This is very interesting: would you care to post a link to that YouTube video?
     
  24. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

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    I want to stress that they do not talk at length about Japanese players, but in passing. But nonetheless it is the full game of the group stage.

     
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