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Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by Dearman, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Looks like Matthaus and Zico are the weakest Queen Gold players or bonderline cases.
     
  2. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Great to see your assertion on CR7. Meanwhile, I am researching on players skill and one of the further works is to find solution of value rating between defensive skill and offensive skill. After that I will probably initiate some discussion here. For Matthaus, I think it is common range that is inevitably some margins between upper and lower zone unless categorize the class very narrow.
     
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  3. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Yes, I figured that this was the case and especially given you can't update all this information constantly, there is bound to be some type of 'lag' associated with these rankings again. I hope my appreciation for your work was nonetheless evident and if you are open to any suggestions concerning the value rating between defensive and offensive skill (as I find it interesting) I'd like to put my mind to it if it is of any help to you. I believe at least an initial manner of looking at it is looking at all the different aspects within the game itself and ranking them by their according value, and associating that back with a defensive/offensive skill. All this with the assumption that getting the ball in the back of the net is of the utmost importance given it wins you games.

    Good chatting and thanks again!
     
  4. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
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    1986 World Cup Summary


    Denmark : “The Danish Dynamite” The team is entertaining to watch but lack of tactical strategy and is defeated by Spain 1 -5. Michael Laudrup played well with some impressive dribbling scenes.

    Paraguay : The only full-match to watch Julio Cesar Romero and he has been qualified for top 50 most skill advanced midfielder of all-time. He is an enthusiastic playmaker and all-round. Romerito is very good in technique and scoring sense.

    Mexico : The team has a potential to beat West Germany. Unfortunately Hugo Sanchez carried too heavy task and his body condition become too exhaustive in the latter of the match Hugo Sanchez’s footage is quick and dangerous. Manuel Negrete as a playmaker is the second most remarkable of the team who tremendously support Hugo Sanchez.

    Uruguay : There are more scenes to see Francescoli’s technique that is elegant and his ball control is fluent. He is anyway lack of character of leadership to activate the teammate.

    Soviet Union : Dasaev always make a right decision in saving the ball. Zavarov shows extraordinary dribbling skill. Ihor Belanov plays in his utmost performance with scoring 2 penalty goals from total 4 goals made in the tournament, Belanov is not very high creative player but he is very effective when he met opportunities.

    England : In overall tournament, Cris Waddle’s dribbling is stumble. Glenn Hoddle mainly set the game from central midfield area. Although he is a bit too lazy, his deadly passing to penalty area is dangerous. Gary Lineker is more than a great finisher. He is quick in movement and very good in teamwork ability.

    Spain : Michel Gonzalez is rather under expectation when rare skill is seen to be impressive. He is a right midfielder who operate in both central and right-side area. For this tournament, there is no significant difference for his performance between two positions. He is not fast, his passing is often inaccurate and he rarely drib pass opponent. Emilio Butragueno run in everywhere in the front line. He is a quick thinker and his agile movement made many troubles to opponent. Zubizarreta is very calm and reliable in every situation. Juan Senor is a main instrument of Spain, playing effectively in his own standard.

    Belgium : Although Ceulemans is widely regarded as the most outstanding player of the team. He is certainly not deserved to be rated in world-class. His passing is always unexpectable. He is lack of playmaking skill but known for his dynamic running straight forward to score. In my evaluation, his overall skill is disqualified for top 50 advanced midfielder. However, he is remained in top 50 attacking midfielder in performance evaluation. Scifo as the best young player of the tournament has a few special contribution.

    Brazil : The match against France is really entertaining when both team assault alternately through the match. Brazil shot clash the pillar/bar twice and Zico missed penalty, is very unfortunate. Edinho is superb in reading the game. He quickly cut the ball under compressive situation. He scored a goal after showing great dribbling skill. Edinho is effective in bith center-back and left-back and he alongside Lucio is now rated as the second most skillful central defender ever only to Luis Pareira. Junior as a central midfielder is in range of satisfactory level. His skill is evaluated in top 20 side-back of all-time but exclude from top 50 central midfielder of all-time. Socrates is little discredited in a scene he touches the ball bouncing out of his control. Careca is limited in conducting the ball by himself. Anyway, he is a perfect model of finisher with positional sense, strong, great in air and deadly shot.

    France : Platini is obviously declined from the recent tournaments. He become inertia in dribbling while his passing is still very accurate. Tigana played very well. He often shows his quick acceleration getting pass opponent. Manuel Amoros is once again very impressive. He is complete side-back without tangible weakness. Amoros possesses a great long-shot apart from his effective tackling and offensive ability. Dominique Rocheteau is another outstanding French player in this tournament.

    West Germany : Schumaccher is superb in positioning, He always coincidentally stand against opponent’s shooting direction. Andreas Brehme plays in both left and right back during the tournament. He is strong and is a great tackler but strange for this position as he is not fast. His shot is dangerously powerful, is one of the best long-shooters ever. Karlheinz Forster is a leader in defensive line. He is intelligent in positional sense and very decisive in tackling. Matthaus performs as defensive midfielder mostly seen as a great combated player.

    Argentina : Maradona is strongly considered as the best performer ever in single international tournament although his hand ball scoring should be negatively noted. Aside from his usual superb dribbling, he creates a ton of chances to his teammates. However, I prefer Burruchaga as man of the match in the final. Burruchaga is really in his top performance during the tournament, is very compatible in coordinating with Maradona and even highly contributes in defensive task. Another key of success is the center-back partnership, Jose Luis Brown and Oscar Ruggeri is a great wall that very rare occasions to be destroyed.

    In conclusion, Maradona is the best player of the tournament. 2nd is Gary Lineker. 3rd is Jorge Burruchaga, 4th is Manue Amoros and 5th is Karlheinz Forster.

    Important Update in performance ranking : Amoros is ranked up from 46th to 40th. Ceulemans and Michel Gonzalez is ranked down 2-3 places.
     
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  5. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Argentina played a spirited final off the turbulence created by Maradona's movements, and he still defined the match within five minutes with that cunning assist. Does he move up in ranking after a transcendental performance?

    Nice to see Romero and Edinho stand out, they were among the best players of the decade but are now often forgotten. The latter is also a greater player than Lucio. I completely see it different on Sanchez, who was a massive flop aside against Belgium, even missing a penalty kick winner to Paraguay. With Borghi the biggest flops of the tournament.

    Butragueno demolished Denmark but disappeared against Belgium, while the Danes could not function anywhere close without Arnessen. Francescoli, Paz, Alzamendi, Da Silva, all disappointed tremendously for a team that was supposed to bring new glory to Uruguay. France vs Brazil is arguably the best tournament match I have seen.

    Did you get any impressions on Magath, Socrates, Fernandes, Zaki, M Olsen, Gerets, Quirarte, Altobelli? This tournament has the highest yield on individual performances ever.
     
  6. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Maradona was rated in phenomenon-class before I set up this project so no gap for him to reach.
    Magath played well in general without special attraction. Quirarte is surely a toughest defender of Mexico and I'm thinking of naming him in all-time Latin Northern Americas squad. Other than that is satisfied for their own standard. One more thing I forgot to mention. Vierchowod is rather dissatisfied. His tackle is too rough and I don't see any great pace of him.
     
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  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I meant the values for the HSP and TAB variables would be increased after evaluating this performance.
     
  8. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    @Dearman so you have Platini above Zico finally, you have seen the light?:) Your rankings have changed a lot during last months I did see.
     
  9. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    #934 Dearman, Apr 8, 2018
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    Late 1980s Summary

    International Club

    In the 1987 European Cup final, Paolo Futre is mainly focused. He is very quick with talented dribbling skill and also good in teamwork, running in the left wing and central area and mostly pass the ball with great curve. Matthaus and Brehme is rather limited as a main creative force.

    In the 1987 – 1988 European Cup first round, I intend to watch Maradona performance when Napoli failed to succeed the biggest European trophy. In two leg, Maradona doesn’t achieve his own prime standard. He become fatter with lower agility and it is rarer to see him make one-man-show scene and also limited opportunity to score himself. Anyway, Maradona is still a main contributor for Napoli, creating a number of chances to his teammate. Napoli failed to bear Real Madrid although there is no attendance of Madrid in their home leg. In second leg, Careca is a main reason for Napoli disqualification. He meet too many obvious opportunities to score but he always shot straight forward to keeper.

    Maradona finally lead Napoli to the champion of UEFA Cup. In the second leg, he is seemed to be inertia and get few participations. However, he successfully makes 2 key assists to decisive goals, one of them is even made by his great heading. Note that Careca is seen to have developed his technical skill from 1986 world cup. Ciro Ferrara in his young ages is already top-class defender with hard tackling and solid positional play. Sigurvinsson as a playmaker of Stuttgart is satisfied in general with great organizing and passing skill.

    In 1989 European Cup, I watched only 60 minutes for each semi-final and final match as Milan has devastated the opponents 4 -5 goals. Milan at those matches perfectly adopt zone-press strategy that efficiently impedes the opponent route of playing, The reputable back-four plays conveniently when rare of difficult task to handle. The Dutch Trio is also spending their peak with Milan. Gullit’s physical dominance and his all-round ability is a key of Milan abrupt assault strategy but his left-foot is rather ineffective. Although Gullit is known to be great in defense, he is a bit too lazy in following opponent to win the ball. Although Rijkaard is a world-class central defender in the 1988 Euro, his destroying skill is not elaborated and many of them are performed by rough tackle and fouls. Anyway he is a main playmaker of the team although he is defensive midfielder. That means Milan’s style of play did not emphasize ball possession. Rijkaard once shows his great acceleration to score a goal although he is never acknowledged as a fast player. Van Basten remains attractive to watch although his performance is much decline from the 1988 Euro. The three Dutch players always dominates in air allowing them to make many chances from heading.

    However, Milan become decline in the following 1990 European Cup when Gullit get injury and he doesn’t play well in the final. Van Basten is also falling down in his performance. Thanks to Rijkaard who carried the team to the goals. In related matches, Baresi is undoubtedly world-class in defensive performance. Anyway, he is far inferior to Scirea and Passarella in offensive contribution. A few chances to see Baresi makes a great long passing and his ball controlling is seen stiffen. He is still good at moving forward with triangle coordination. Costacurta is an elegant stopper. His defense is always reliable and he is also weak in vision to pass as expected. Maldini in young ages plays like a high-experienced defender. His offensive skill is seen to be in developing period.

    The derby match of Spain in 1990 Copa Del Rey final is not entertaining enough as expected. Although R.Madrid is contained with a number of superstars, the teamwork is unfulfilled. Micheal Laudrup in related matches remains playing much below his potential, always find the space to pass to his teammates although it is a better chance to drib pass players by his own ability. Hagi with Steua is already superb. His dribbling is conduct beautifully. I am rethinking of including Butragueno in top 50 forwards of all-time if he should have been ahead of Jose Sanfilippo at least although Butragueno’s domestic performance is not in competitive level. He continuously plays well in international football.

    In 1990 European Super Cup, Pietro Vierchowod is quick as expected but a scene saw his poor in reading the direction of the ball. Now he is in a short list candidate to be moved out of top 50 defenders of all-time.


    The 1988 European Championship

    Netherlands

    Marco Van Basten always scores decisive goals and he is very complete and elegant striker, is even great enough to be a world-class second striker. His idea of playing is always intelligent, his technique is unique and even great in any aspect of aerial shooting. Thus, he is the best striker ever in an international country single tournament.

    Ruud Gullit and Frank RIjkaard also played in their peak. Rijkaard is very great in positional play as a center-back alongside Ronald Koeman who is seen to be dominant in strength and also great in reading the game. Koeman’s passing is always accurate but his long-shot is miss-target narrowly for the most times. Van Breukelen’s skill is evaluated below top 50 most skillful keepers ever. He made some wrong decisions in moving out of the goal line.


    Italy

    Walter Zenga is reliable in overall although not any spectacular scene. Giuseppe Bergomi plays as a right-back and now I think he could be the toughest right-back ever, always stand in the right position and make a true decision in interception, strong likes a rock. Giuseppe Giannini’s agile movement is amazing.


    West Germany

    Olaf Thon is a player who is probably one of the most underrated players. As a central midfielder, he is extremely quick and creative likes a pure playmaker but the incredible thing is he is also very good in defense as he even plays as a libero in the mid-1990s.

    Jurgen Kohler make a great jobs in marking Van Basten in semi-final match. He consistently follow Van Basten in the entire game effectively until he misses in the last minutes due to his low speed. Andreas Brehme plays effectively in both left and right-back with great unique crossing ability. He possesses hard tackle. Brehme’s weak point is too low speed for wing-back position. Matthaus in this tournament remains unremarkable in creativity.

    Soviet Union

    Dasaev concedes the miracle goal to Van Basten in final match should not be discredited. Although the direction of the ball is from the incredible angle, the trajectory is a high curve and impossible for any keeper to reach at basic position. The USSR midfielders likes a big wave ripples the opponent. Zavarov, Mikhailchenko, Litovchenko and Belanov all are dangerous in central attacking area and quickly moves forward to find space to shot. For those 4 attackers, Litovchenko is seen to be the best. Mikhailchenko is seen to be overrated. Anyway, Oleg Protasov is weak in physical condition and not decisive enough in shooting.

    England

    Tony Adams is superb in air, even score one goal by heading. However, he is rather slow in movement and let to conceding a goal. John Barnes is a perfect mold for conventional British winger with great acceleration and specialize in crossing but his style is too limited to wide area, easy to trap when his right-foot is really ineffective. Anyway, Bryan Robson achieves his own standard. Glenn Hoddle played well as a playmaker, consistently contributes accurate long passing. Gary Lineker positions himself in side-forward area which he was assigned during Barcelona years but this reduces his opportunity to score in front of the goal.

    In conclusion, Van Basten is the best player of the tournament. 2nd is Ruud Gullit and 3rd is Frank Rijkaard.


    Important Update in performance ranking

    Baresi will be down around 3 ranks in footballer list, Rijkaard will be moved up for 4 ranks. Butragueno is to be reviewed to replace Sanfilippo in forward list. Vierchowod is also to be reviewed if he should be replaced by Camacho who is much more successful internationally.

    The next one is the 1990 World Cup. Note that I will finished this full-match project at 1994 UCL final. There are only 28 matches left to finish.
     

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  10. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Butragueno belongs in a top 50 positional ranking, he was also a prodigy at the age he became a world class player. Van Basten's performance at Euro88 is second greatest only behind Platini's of four years earlier. I would consider the quartet with Gullit, Rikjard and Koeman as the greatest for the Netherlands. Also Dasaev is arguably the most dominant goalkeeper in a tournament that I've watched.

    A big part of the reason for Napoli's elimination to Real Madrid was the horrific performance by Carnevale, who did not play the return match after the send-off. Arguably Sanchis should move up in rank, he was key defender for the success of Real during that era.
     
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  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Here the fan videos:





    Or the (much lesser) performance in the first leg:



    Spot the direct chances created. The point is not if he played bad or good (and in which leg), but I struggle to see the many clear-cut chances that he created.

    What it also shows is the transformation from forward to attacking midfielder, one that started to take more set pieces, too, so that assists remained high.



    Who provided the assist to Rijkaard? That doesn't fit in the story I guess.



    At 3:25, a better and cleverer creative moment is at 1:58.

    Other good examples are this:


    And this:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x463wa5
     
  12. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Maradona creates a number of chances. I did not mean the gold chance to score but he is a main creator to connect between defender to forward successfully. Gullit made an assist, is not enough to represent the whole match. I always love to see him but most of his scenes are seen to be unsuccessful.
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #938 PuckVanHeel, Apr 17, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2018
    Yes, very ineffective to provide assists rather than shimmies and passes in open midfield space.
    Typically the only players to have received the "rough tackle" designation in the write-ups on the past two pages are Krol and Rijkaard (with world famous and renowned dirty players/hackers as Passarella getting a free pass). Shows the inclinations well again.
     
  14. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
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    In previous set, I omitted watching Maradona in Copa America that is known as his unsuccessful tournament and it has been included in this set. In 1987 Copa America against Uruguay, Maradona remains play well but he is really struggle for the storm of hard-tackles by Uruguayan defenders. However, he mistake in a gold opportunity when he mistakenly touches the ball until miss the chance to score in front of goal. Maradona is first seen to be failed in overall match at the 1989 Copa America against Brazil. He is seemingly lack of passion to win the tournament. He rarely make a dangerous scene and fails to lead the team. Romario in this match is also not remarkable.


    The 1990 World Cup Summary

    Although the tournament is known as the lowest scoring ratio in history, the games is very high quality and entertaining. Exceptionally the final match is one of the most boring World Cup final matches ever.

    Yugoslavia : It is known as the best Yugoslav team ever. Safet Susic is the most impressive player although it is already his late career. His high experience enables him to be more decisive than previous tournament and his spin passing is amazing. Dragan Stojkovic is anyway the most consistent Yugoslavian player. He is very calm, often switches to right-side area where his crossing is expectable. Prosinecki’s technical dribbling is always spectacular but other than that is rather below standard level. All three players are attacking midfielder as well as Savicevic who is a regular substitution. The team has many chances to beat Argentina but their players are lack of finishing skill. Note that the match against Argentina is my first ever football match watching.

    Ireland : Only Paul Mcgrath is focused. He mainly plays as semi-right-back. Mcgrath is good in going forward. Unfortunately Match against Italy has a few chance to prove his defensive quality accurately.

    Spain : The most benefit I get in the match is to know that I’m end of patience with Michel Gonzalez. Since 1984 Euro to 1990 World Cup, he makes too many non-value added passes.

    Belgium : Enzo Scifo is an elegant playmaker with good acceleration and agility. He also possesses a great long-shot. His left-foot is anyway his weakness. Ceulemans is even more dangerous than him. Michael Preud’Homme is truly reliable. Only one thing that seems he is lack of confidence to make the accurate goal kick.

    Holland : First of all, Van Basten doesn’t make too many mistake but he failed to create or meet important chances by his own sufficiently. Kohler once again lost penalty to him unnecessarily. While Van Basten failed, Gullit outstandingly carried the team. Holland is not inferior to West Germany until Rijkaard is sent off.

    England : Gascoigne is very high talented playmaker with exceptional dribbling skill, is always stumble to watch and he is even great in defense, the scene he tackles Van Basten is very decisive. Although Linker is known as a great poacher, he is actually proficient in forward role, making many great dangerous crosses. Other than that, Waddle is very consistent winger with effective dribbling and crossing. Shilton is perfect in decision making and positioning although he become slow.

    Italy : The most surprised thing is Baresi’s performance. Although Ireland has no world-class attackers, Baresi at the beginning of game is seen to have a problem in the basic situation. He mistakenly pass the ball to the area that is none of his teammate to possibly proceed. He lost ball possession when he tries to drib pass Irish attacker at the Italian backline, etc. In match against Argentina, he follows Caniggia with his highest speed and decide to tackle from the back but it is far to reach allowing Caniggia get into dangerous zone. Although he still play well in other area of responsibilities, it is still difficult to acknowledge his performance in world-class. Maldini in his young age is very reliable. Baggio is a star of the team but his performance in final match as a reserved player is unimpressive. Schillachi is always efficient. He elaborate in every step of playing. Zenga is always reliable until he is discredited for his slow motion in interception and Caniggia meet opportunity to score too easy.

    Argentina : Maradona is extremely enthusiastic and energetic. He is a key player to lead the team beat Brazil, is the best match for him in this World Cup. From quarter-final to final, Maradona does not meet the opportunities from counter-attack likes match against Brazil, he get more difficult task. However, Maradona is always intelligent in surviving under pressure or he is also great tactically. Caniggia as one of the fastest player ever is very intimate with Maradona.

    West Germany : Brehme consistently contributes a great curve crossing, is considered one of the best crossers ever alongside Beckham. He also very strong and shows decisive tackles. Matthaus is superb only in match against Yugoslavia. He is always effective in movement and organizing in semi-final and final but rarely shows amazing scenes. Klinsmamm meet many chances thanks ot his high work-rate and great speed but it is rather extravagant in overall. Aside from that, Kohler could be the best central defender of the tournament although he is too slow but his position is very great. Haesler is a high technical player at the semi-side area and make a good passing continuously. Voller is also very good as a target-man.

    In conclusion, I rate Schillachi as the best player of the tournament. Second place is belonged to Matthaus. Maradona came to third. 4th belong to Brehme and 5th is Gascoigne.

    Important Update : Baresi is down around 5 places in all-time best footballers list while Rijkaard is also moved up around 5 places. Haesler is moved to offensive lateral position. Either Michel Gonzalez or Milos Milutinovic is planned to be get out for a new comer Eden hazard in top 50 offensive lateral.

    Additionally, after this skill evaluation, I plan to evaluate each of players' lower performance by counting the number of approved international match that they failed to achieve international-class. The aggregate negative points will be applied to the system. (Currently, the lower performance is evaluated by perspective only.
     
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  15. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #940 Pipiolo, Apr 27, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2018
    Fascinating stuff!

    Bebeto was superb at CA89, he would be rated in top 125 players of all time had he played at a bigger club in Europe.

    At WC90, Yugoslavia started bad but changes after the first match got them playing well. For me, Stojkovic was the best player of that team and one of the top five of the tournament, what a bend on the free kick against Spain.. Savicevic's poor performance cost them a place in the semifinals.

    Spain had the most terrible luck against Yugoslavia, hitting the post three times before the Salinas equalizer. Butragueno should have won it for them with more steel. Van Basten's is one of them disappointing performances in WC history after all the expectations. Even worse than Borghi's four years earlier. Gullit played well but could not carry the team by himself and the Netherlands had the worse deal between a loss of Rikjaard and Voeller.

    I agree that Maldini was the greater international figure than Baresi, he would play every single minute for Italy for WCs 90 to 02. A big mistake from Sacchi in removing Baggio from the starting line-up in the semifinal, Vialli was poor throughout. I remember Donadoni and DeNapoli as strong performances. Unreal that Italian officials asked for the match to be played in Napoli...against Maradona. For Argentina, the team played at times like a glorified pub side with all the injuries and lack of form, most or all of the blame lies with Bilardo. Great character from Maradona, Ruggieri, Goycoechea and the son Caniggia in taking a broken team so deep. I am sure they would have taken the scalp of Germany to add to Italy and Brazil had he played the final.

    Any impressions for the great surprise by Cameroon or the performance by Valderrama? That last second play against Germany remains unforgettable.
     
  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Had Borghi also two (or more) assists then?
     
  17. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Don't think so, but at least he was quickly benched. Van Basten continued to start and played horribly.
     
  18. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    he is
     
  19. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I would rank him too but I don't think he is often mentioned.
     
  20. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    This project is mainly purpose to evaluate skill of top legendary players in so some matches without any targeted player are not planned to watch.
     
  21. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Forgot that, it would leave little interest for Cameroon. However, Valderrama is a player of stature at least equal to players you have rated (Schuster, Francescoli, Bebeto, Butragueno, Susic, etc.)
     
  22. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    So Borghi had no assists at all, for a well functioning team.

    Yes I know the dominant anti Dutch agendas and double handicaps very well. Bashed at the time itself, and then with time others clean up the remnants.

    Famous hackers get a free pass.
     
  23. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Who cares about Borghi. The Van Basten performance is the most subpar at the World Cup I have seen by any legend.
     
  24. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
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    1st 1990s International Club Summary

    In 1991 European Cup Final, Red Star Belgrade is much dependent on players's individual technique. Savicevic and Prosinecki struggles to beat Marseille defense particularly Basil Boli who is prominent in precised hard tackling. Prosinecki's technique is magnificent but his team work ability is poor. Although Papin won Ballon'Dor in 1991, he is rather not dangerous in the final match.

    In 1992 European Cup Final, Michael Laudrup remains unfulfilled his potential. He is known to be overgenerous in some improper situations. He rarely shows his classy technique during the match Stoichkov mainly operates on the left wing where he performs great acceleration and accurate crosses by hid left consistently. Koemann is this match is very strong and establish himself in correct position, scoring the winning goal by free-kick. For Samdoria side, Pagliuca is a keeper who is relatively weak in goal kicking skill. Vierchowod is proved to be very tough, quickly moving from the back position of opponent to snatch the ball in front of them, is the most impressive scene.

    In 1992 Intercontinental Cup, Rai's performance dominates the match. The scene he bounces the ball by his heel, his wonderful scoring by free-kick and his movement in midfield including impressive defense, concluding him as the very complete midfielders. Cafu is assigned in a right-side midfielder role, is another prominent Sao Paulo player. M.Laudrup once again failed to influence the team as he should have done.

    In 1993 European Cup, both AC Milan and Marseille adopt offside-trap strategy resulting in discontinuity of the offensive game and the forwards like Van Basten, Papin and Voller meet a few chances to score. Van Basten and Papin are incomplete in physical condition, is one of the main reasons Milan failed to beat Marseille. Gianluigi Lentini is also disappointing. He is elegant and fast but poor in team work ability. The best player of Marseille side is seen to be Desailly who won the ball fairly in most times.

    In 1993 Intercontinental Cup, AC Milan's reputable defensive line is questionable to be the best defensive line ever when concedes 3 goals to Sao Paulo. The first goal is conceded by loose position of Costacurta. The another two goals is directly caused by Albertini and Rossi respectively but before than that Panucci and Baresi allows Sao Paolo to meet the chances. Toninho Cerezo remains play well. He is one of the most successful south american players in international club, playing 2 European cup final and won 2 intercontinental cups.

    In 1994 European Cup Final, Savicevic is a main actor of this match. He is always effective in dribbling, mainly in central area but later move wider to right-wing. He makes 1 amazing goal, 1 assist and 1 shot clashing pillar. Panuccu plays very well as left-back, his unusual position. Without Both Baresi and Costacurta, Barcelona fails to score any goal. The midfielders is not capable of supporting forward enough so Romario is successively failed but he is quite satisfied with only 2 obvious chances of assist and score.

    I don't watch 1994 intercontinental cup full-match but I do watch highlight. Costacurta is responsible for both two conceding goals. The first one, he fouls and lost penalty unnecessarily. The second one is a awful mistake when he returned the ball to Rossi too slow.

    The 1992 European Championship Summary

    France : Laurence Blanc is the best French player in this tournament. He is very skillful in ball controlling and vision to pass. Eric Cantona is highly creative player with high physical strength. Papin has a few participation during the matches but he still scores 2 goal in the group round.

    England : David Platt is an enthusiastic player, quick and great in movement from midfield to support scoring in forward area.

    Holland : Rijkaard is the best dutch player in this tournament. He doesn't only score 2 important goals but he also dominates in destroying the game in central midfield and also contributes great passes. Gullit is rather decline, his coordinating synchronization with his teammate is problematic. Van Basten is not in a great physical condition. Unfortunately his volleying shot clash the bar and finally he failed to score any goal. Van Basten anyway acts as a great creative forward with great assisting and technical abilities as usual. Dennis Bergkamp is rather slow but he is very decisive in running towards the goal to score.

    West Germany
    : Kohler has a problem every time he plays against Van Basten's movement 3 tournaments in row. Effenberg possesses very accurate passing but he is too slow in both running and tackle. Sammer as a central midfield role is remarkable in offensive while his defensive ability is rather limited. Thomas Haesler is a main attacker of the team with diligence and consistent passing contribution. Klinsmann is too extravagant.

    Denmark : The Danish team plays football with discipline, bravery and perfect mind-set, fulfilling the highest team working potential. When the team meet a few god opportunities to score, they rarely misses. In related matches, there is no phenomenon saves by Schmeichel but his organizing, ball opening, ball interception and leadership skill is psychologically effect on Danish team. Henrik Larsen is the best attacker of the team, is a key player for the Danish legendary team.

    In conclusion, I rate Schmeichel as the best player of the tournament. The second place is Rijkaard and Thomas Haesler is the third.

    Important Update : There is no significant movement in ranking for this set.
     

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  25. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Now the full-mach watching project has been finished with 20,000 minutes or around 220 matches totally. The project span is 7 months. Anyway, there is a next step to finish skill evaluation project as I'm to watch video clip for players in pre-1960s era as much as possible. Additionally, the highlight clip of the post 1950s match is also to watch as it will be beneficial to detect performance of keeper, defender and scorer in scoring scenes.

    After video clips have been watched, it will be resulted as below

    1) The skill calculation table by positional top 50 players will be shown.
    2) The skill aspect will be applied to value rating for ability calculation.
    3) The skill and ability will be added as one of part of performance calculation.
    4) The top 10 player by skill aspect will be concluded.

    I plan to finish this skill evaluation project just before the first match of 2018 world cup. After World Cup, I have a minor works to complete prior to finalize WFHC project as a whole planned to finish in October.

    Thanks you for your following and support. If you have older full-matches video other than I watched, it will be more than appreciated.
     
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