Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Who's 1st? Burki?
     
  2. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    The defense was bad and anything that seems to tell you otherwise shouldn't be trusted.

    That game could be used as a case study on why that chart doesn't match reality. There were a lot of dangerous near misses that didn't lead to a shot. E.g., I don't see any black mark for that nice lobbing cross that didn't quite find anyone at the right post. Augsburg was failing to execute on the lapses, but the lapses were bad. And there were should-have-been yellows used to snuff out some other lapses. As much as it seems like Bayern gets the benefit of the doubt on fouls, MD24 it seemed like BVB got away with quite a few yellow-card-worthy fouls and somehow got not one.
     
  3. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    always nice when the skeptics get to have an echo chamber of their own i guess
     
  4. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotze unsurprisingly is near the top. So is (somewhat more surprisingly) Dahoud. Considering the amount of passing they do and they skill they have, that does make sense if you actually look at their passing contributions compared to a guy like Pulisic.

    If CP played where Gotze plays, would he have the consistent passing numbers/contribution Gotze does? While y-lee thinks so, I think the answer is probably not. The BVB coaching staff seems to agree with me. But who knows, if Gotze goes down maybe they'll play him there some more.
     
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  5. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    Where are you pulling your almost assist stat from? Thanks.
     
  6. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    San Francisco, CA
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    #15631 EruditeHobo, Feb 27, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2018
    xa90, expected assists per 90. Unlike stats such as "goals", "assists", and even "key passes", a calculation like xa90 takes into account more, contextually. And for me, if you're talking about stats, context is king.

    There's a reason that players with high xa90 are the best creators in the world. Because of their very nature, numbers like xg90 and xa90 translate pretty well to actual production. And there are a bunch of other numbers to look at to gain an even better picture of a player's involvement. Some of which, frankly, confuse me. But xa90 is pretty straight forward, and coupling it with more traditional stats (number of touches, through balls, dribbles, backwards passes, chances created) tells a fuller story of a player's performance.
     
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  7. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
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    Correct, but models that calculate chances that aren't shots aren't public. This is the best I can show.

    If you're looking at the end result, then neither does a saved shot. Shots on target that don't go in don't mean that a team is playing better than a team with shots off target.
     
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  8. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I totally misread and skipped over "saved shot"... but surely a team that is creating chances that end up in shots on target is performing better than a team whose shots aren't on target? If a keeper is standing on his head keeping good shots out, that doesn't mean the attacking team isn't performing well... right?

    Or are you just talking about play as it relates to chances of success in the match?
     
  9. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
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    A shot has to be on target (well, usually) for a goal to occur, so of course it technically is better, but comparing number of shots and shots on target reflects more on the defensive play styles of the teams then it does the game itself. I suspect that in a few years, people will start talking about shots/on target the same way they do now with possession: accurate, explains some things, but it leaves more unknowns about "who played better" than any statistic used to talk about the "better team" should.
     
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  10. Being a German national team player is waaaayyy overrated;)
     
  11. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    In terms of "almost assists" , CP would no longer be considered a "system player" to some.
     
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  12. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    Does anyone have a publicly available source for Xa or Xg?
     
  13. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
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    They are out there, switch your capitals around to xA and xG ad add the word soccer and bam the world of information is yours.:thumbsup:
     
  14. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    United States
    Understat.com
     
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  15. Unimane

    Unimane Member+

    Jul 28, 2009
    Nashville
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    United States
    On the bench again.
     
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  16. neems

    neems Member+

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    Apr 14, 2009
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    United States
    1-1 at half. Reus scores again.
     
  17. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
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    I am fine with him staying on the bench. Phillip needs a run late if healthy and Puli needs to rest.
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Watching this Dortmund is a chore. I used to follow them just for the pretty soccer, now I don't feel like watching even when Puli plays.
     
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  19. Nastrabrahmus

    Nastrabrahmus Member+

    Mar 29, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Stoger likes subbing too late.... unless it’s CP then it’s off at the hour mark
     
  20. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I hope bVb can bring in wagner, Stoger is doing something worse than losing, he's utterly boring and soul killing.
     
  21. Streaky Bacon

    Streaky Bacon Member

    Apr 11, 2015
    Pulisic sighting.
     
  22. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    4min for pulisic. Just as well. Don't want him infected with Stogerphillis
     
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  23. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Commentators absolutely skewering stoger for his lack of ambition, lack of energy, lack of entertainment, lack of soul.
     
  24. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    How good is Liverpool going to be next year with Keita? The guy has been everywhere.
     
  25. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Ends 1-1. Bah. Feels like Stoger has Felix Magath on hotline for advice.
     

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