Why the F not... January 2018 Transfer Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by chjoak, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't say "No one" is elite, but it is the only person who can consistently finish on this team. ;)
     
  2. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    Completely possible that you can repeat the domestic cup-Europa double.
     
  3. kanonier

    kanonier Member+

    Nov 7, 2005
    Bloomington, Ind.
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He was obviously no RVP replacement, but I loved Podolski. A great system player and an extreme team player and supporter to boot. One of my favorite Arsenal players in the last 5 years.
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    He was decent in the first year.

    In the end he was never quite good enough for an elite team and I think he got pretty lazy under Wumger

    But you know, if Mkhi can kick in 11 goals from right midfield that is great
     
  5. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Both players are considered damaged goods by most of the big clubs Jitty.

    I think you're putting the cart before the horse.

    They are available to Arsenal. The question being hidden from us now though, is why? Auba wasn't exactly expensive back in the summer either.
     
  6. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In yesterday's presser, Wenger was asked whether Giroud or Welbeck would be leaving this January, and he game strikingly different answers;

    On Giroud: "The negotiations are not as far as that"

    On Welbeck: "No, I want Danny to stay here"
     
  8. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Giroud has fallen off a cliff this season.
     
  9. lynesjc

    lynesjc Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jun 21, 2001
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Spot on. Missing out on CL qualification again would signal that last season wasn't a blip and that we're on a downward trajectory, which will make it harder to recruit new players and eventually a new manager.

    Potentially bringing in a trio of players who are all almost 30 is definitely a short-term, stop-gap measure.
     
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  10. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has he? Or is he just missing playing time due to his manager or his fitness?
     
  11. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He has. Movement has totally fallen off. He was never fast, but he's lost all his quickness and can't create any separation.
     
  12. The English Hacker

    Aug 8, 2011
    Toronto
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Even so, he's still a better option for us that Danny IMO. I'm sure we're not going to let Welbeck go though because of our homegrown numbers.
     
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  13. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wenger made that quite clear yesterday. Danny's staying if he has any say over the matter. If Danny goes, then it's a big wow moment as far as management evolution goes.

    As for Giroud, he's always been slow, but he has a great strike rate so I don't really care. I think he's unfairly underrated or dissed in general, and on this board specifically.
     
  14. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Nah Giroud's pace has been dropping off for the last two seasons. Its not so much his top speed really, which is probably the same. It is his first and second step now, a good time to let him go been a great player for Arsenal.
     
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  15. Professor B

    Professor B Member

    Oct 13, 2000
    Grundy, VA
    I can certainly see the argument that we are not playing well at times, such that on could make an argument that we are in danger of slipping to 7th or 8th. We still have games against both Leicester and Burnley, and both appear to have easier remaining schedules than we do (one less game against a current top 5 team). We have a decent gap on them. Leicester show signs of improving, but Burnley are not in good form. Though we look poor at times, dropping to 7th or 8th doesn’t look probable, even if it looks possible.

    But even if we assume the Powers That Be are afraid we will drop to 7th or 8th, how would that explain the behavior we’re seeing?

    In other words, why would we change our behavior over a difference between 6th, 7th or 8th? The money for place finish in the League can’t be that much. Is there some other benefit to 6th that I’m missing? (I acknowledge that real possibility.)

    It seems to me if we believed we were that poor a quality team, we wouldn’t be chasing PEA, at the very least. If we didn’t think we had a shot at a Euro place (and the money and recruiting cache that comes with it), we’d only be looking at transfers that worked for us longterm. We’d be building for the longterm with any money we spent. We wouldn’t be tossing 50 million at a 28 year old who’s probably, what, top 20 at his position in the world in his general age bracket? Someone who’ll be, if it goes well, as good as the best we already have?

    Of course, the Powers That Be May be in between. They may have very serious doubts about us getting into the top 4 this year. (Just like most of us, amirite? Amirite?)

    This window may be about a strategy for chasing a top 4 spot next year (and somehow getting transfers in now helps with that, eg retaining Ozil, less chances of bidding wars, thoughts prices will escalate yet again in the summer?).
     
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  16. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Why is easy, we have people from BVB involved and they have better connections than anyone else we have had to negotiate or broker deals in the past few years.
     
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  17. kanonier

    kanonier Member+

    Nov 7, 2005
    Bloomington, Ind.
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    When my son watches highlight videos of Giroud in the future it's gonna seem like he was freaking Pele.
     
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  18. Quentin

    Quentin Member

    Jul 12, 2008
    Hurricane, WV, USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Just watched that. Maybe rose colored glasses, but god damn he scored some nice goals.
     
  19. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Regarding Auba, I think something with his personality or reps had to put teams off. His numbers are elite but none of the top clubs wanted anything to do with him last summer and there were a lot of top teams in need of a 9. If I had to guess, I would say he/his reps were asking for ridiculous money that clubs weren't ready to spend on a 28 year old that relies heavily on pace.
     
  20. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Giroud has always been a scorer of great goals, he's just not a great goalscorer.
     
  21. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get all the talk about Arsenal behaving a bit different in this transfer window and trying to rescue club from falling outside of 4th place again...but it is really depressing that deal is falling to the end of the window....
    what are the chances this gets done by Saturday? only 14 games left.
     
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  22. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    A typical Arsenal transfer, hassling over the fee, without Arsene's involvement. Which begs the question, have the board kept Arsene around because he has been willing to take the heat
     
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  23. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
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  24. Romfordray

    Romfordray Member+

    Oct 24, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully that all changes now.
     
  25. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've always liked Ollie, but that compilation actually downgraded my overall perception of him. Still, I'll truly miss him if/when he's gone. Most of his goals fall into these categories and (gut feel) percentages
    - Headers: 50%
    - Bad first touch/mishits/impossible to miss shots from close range: 40%
    - Brilliant strikes: 10%
     

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