By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
  1. Dan Loney

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    #1 Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017
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    Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

    By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
    I have spent the past few weeks carefully looking at the platforms and personalities of the men and women running for the position of President of the United States Soccer Federation. My conclusion is, I endorse the elimination of the position of the President of the United States Soccer Federation. If this is the quality of people we get running for the job, there must be something wrong with the job.

    I think the problem is that no one is really certain what the job is supposed to be. There’s a universal assumption that, just as FIFA rules world soccer, the USSF can and should exert a similar influence in the United States. Even the ones who talk of implementing progressive changes take for granted that they will have the power to do so, and should have the power to do so. It’s like seeing eight versions of Isildur vowing to use the One Ring for good.

    No, I will never apologize. My entire life has been leading up to that metaphor.

    This is also the first contested election in, for want of a better term, the Fan Era. The stakes for the 1990 Fricker v. Rothenberg battle were arguably higher, but just because there were millions of dollars at stake did not mean there were millions of fans paying attention. Fans don’t have a voice in this process – and don’t get me wrong, we should not. We are customers. We decided we have an interest in this, but that was our choice. And as Grant Wahl showed us this week, giving monkeys the vote is not always popular with the organ grinder community. But we’ll get to that.

    Steve Gans is the only person still in the race who had the donuts to challenge Sunil Gulati before October 10. Odds are if you’re reading this, it’s not gonna take you too long to figure out what changed on October 10. Should one draw conclusions about the viability of his candidacy based on the fact that seven other people piled on as soon as it was safe? Yes. You should. Every candidate’s platform is basically a series of promises to form committees and councils, but this one from Gans stood out:

    I will immediately halt and institute a moratorium on the current U.S. Soccer plan to centralize the State Referee Administrator responsibilities. An open, transparent and inclusive summit will then be held – with participation by all state associations – to jointly discuss any issues in the SRA program, and to consider any possible related improvements.

    No other candidate is bringing this subject up, so it’s fair to assume it’s meaningful to Gans. He wants to call a Council of Nicaea to address the issue – whatever the issue actually is. Gans may have suggestions for improvements, but the main problem seems to be centralization.

    Well, okay, that’s one way to tell candidates apart – it makes sense that some would be for more USSF authority, and some for less. Gans clearly feels the USSF should have less – wait, what’s this?

    I will create and participate in a task force of youth state associations and national affiliates to address and solve the counterproductive competition amongst sanctioning organizations which occurs beneath the topline of U.S. Soccer youth registration numbers. Such zero-sum competition is destructive to youth soccer and the youth development system, and these issues will be addressed and solved for the good of the game.

    It’s going to take an awfully strong central authority to put a stop to competition between youth soccer organizations.

    You will also have noticed that councils and committees and task forces and such play a significant role in Gans’ platform. But that’s okay, because councils and committees and task forces make up the most significant part of nearly every candidate’s platform.

    I believe you form a committee to do one of two things. Either you want nothing done at all but you want to fool people into thinking you’re trying, or you want something unpopular done and want to make sure everybody else gets to take the blame. Chief executive officers, chairpeople of boards of directors – these aren’t the sort of folks who are used to hearing a lot of backtalk in their daily lives. They’re certainly not going to go out of their way to get a bunch of people in a room to churn out something they oppose.

    People like to promise committees, because it sounds like other people have a voice in the process, even when the voices are there to be co-opted or compromised.

    If you go to michaelwinograd.net, you will learn about a renowned klezmer and world music clarinetist from Brooklyn. If, on the other hand, you go winogradussf.com, a domain name likely to be available some time in March 2018, you will read this promise from candidate Michael Winograd, speaking in the third person:

    Winograd will ensure that critical US Soccer decisions reflect input from all parts of the US Soccer landscape they affect. The selection of national team managers and technical directors; decisions on structures, policies and guidelines in youth soccer; negotiation of sponsorships and other key business transactions; and other fundamental decisions affecting the direction and success of US Soccer are too critical to be made without a deliberate, inclusive, and transparent process. Winograd will form advisory committees that include current and/or former players, coaches, managers, administrators and executives from all levels. And qualifications will be based on merit – people with pertinent skills and achievements and the proven ability to exercise good and objective judgment – not on politics, favoritism or principles of entrenchment.

    Those aren’t promises. Those are threats. The idea that, to pick an example not entirely at random, the Eastern New York State Soccer Association should have any meaningful input in who should coach the national teams is downright painful. There are areas of knowledge that can’t be crowd-sourced effectively, and hiring coaches and technical directors is….okay, it’s not up there with neuroscience, but I believe you see what I’m getting at.

    Winograd isn’t stupid, and presumably realizes this. Sunil Gulati’s expertise in choosing national team coaches was inadequate, and did not improve with experience. (What did he end up picking, three each for the men’s and women’s teams? Godalmighty.) There’s no good reason to leave decisions like this to King Mob. And there’s nothing here that says Winograd would do so. Input from advisory committees isn’t binding, still less when it’s from the break room at the construction site at the Tower of Babel.

    There aren’t many people running here who believe in the USSF President having less power. And it’s funny how youth soccer brings out the autocrat in everyone.

    We should take a fresh look at youth soccer’s organizational structure on a state by state basis. We need to implement uniform standards and ensure fairness across youth soccer in all states, and then work together to structure the youth landscape in any given state in a way that makes the most sense for that state, taking into account existing entities, geography, demographics and other key factors. And we must clearly define that structure and its individual components to the consumer.

    One way to achieve what works best for an individual state would be to leave it to the individual state. Winograd, like Gans, and like most of the other candidates, would sooner crawl on broken glass.

    Eric Wynalda announced his run something like a week before Winograd, but over a week after the Trinidad debacle – after spending literally years hemming and hawing about it. He would have been in a much better position had he made a stand before it was safe – but judging by his campaign web site, probably not. There’s no platform, just a series of pinheaded videos under three minutes each. The closest thing to an actual plan is in the Four Four Two interview he did with Scott French. His twin planks are promotion and relegation on the one hand, and a winter-to-spring schedule on the other.

    Let’s put aside for a moment whether either of these are good ideas. Wynalda presumably knows that no US league is doing either of these things voluntarily, but assumes the USSF President has the power to force these policies onto member organizations. It’s a little troubling when people spend years complaining about Sunil Gulati exercising too much power, only to find out the solution is to change the name of the person exercising that power.

    It was not Wynalda that sounded the knell for the Gulati administration, but Carlos Cordeiro. Until Kathy Carter entered the race, Cordeiro was routinely summed up as Gulati’s right-hand man. Apparently the two had a split, probably due to Cordeiro realizing that Gulati was ambulatory dead meat before Gulati did.

    There is a great deal on Codeiro’s platform that deserves serious discussion and consideration. In fact, he would probably make a very good USSF President, my glib click-baity dismissal of the entire process notwithstanding. But if you considered Gans and Winograd, and thought, “I like them, but they don’t suggest enough committees”? Have we got a guy for you!

    These are the planks in Cordeiro’s platform that stood out the most, to me, anyway?

    Have a truly independent President who is beholden to no one, listens to and treats all members of our community fairly, is transparent, abides by checks and balances, and works collaboratively to bring all stakeholders together around common goals; [and]

    Empower the Board to play a greater role in all Federation activities, including the creation of two new board-level committees: a technical committee, chaired by an Athlete Director, to oversee soccer operations, and a commercial committee, chaired by an independent director, to oversee all USSF commercial activities, including marketing and TV broadcast rights[….]

    That first paragraph is quite the slap at Sunil Gulati, unless all this time Cordeiro’s held a grudge against the late Dr. Bob Contiguglia (EDIT - good news! He's not dead! Why did I think that? The world may never know). And it’s a refreshing acknowledgement that checks and balances in USSF exist, rather than depend on the whim of the executive.

    The commercial committee idea seems like a reference to Soccer United Marketing, and not necessarily a kindly one. It reads like he’s talking about putting a cop on their corner, especially if we go by “independent director.” Cordeiro might, in fact, have been wrongly dismissed as a status quo candidate. I’d be extremely interested to hear Cordeiro elaborate on this.

    And apparently I’m the only one who would be, since there’s literally a lawsuit going on about this very topic and the genius plaintiffs don’t even seem to have asked Cordeiro for an opinion.

    It’s worth noting that Wynalda seems to loathe Carlos Cordeiro on a personal level, judging by the Scott French interview. In case you’re wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Cordeiro endorsement.

    Two other former US national team players joined the race, and I like to think both of them joined specifically to annoy Eric Wynalda. Wynalda certainly treated Kyle Martino dismissively enough, and continues to. Paul Caligiuri, on the other hand, is one of the few men who outranks Wynalda on the legendariness scale.

    Kyle Martino has been agonizingly slow with specifics, and irritatingly quick with accusations – he and Wynalda need to form a joint ticket. Or a podcast. Martino, like Wynalda, is given to dark accusations of blackballing and reprisals against those who place toes against lines with insufficient enthusiasm. In complete fairness, Martino has endorsed an idea where little soccer goals could be placed under basketball hoops in city playgrounds. It’s a pretty poor excuse for inclusion, but then again, at least it’s an idea.

    Paul Caligiuri is not campaigning online, and doesn’t have a web-based platform. In case you were wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Caligiuri endorsement.

    The true insider candidate rolled around in December, when it became apparent that even this crop was preferable to Four More Years.

    Sometime between November and now women started playing soccer, so someone had the bright idea to get a woman to run for USSF President. Kathy Carter’s platform is unusually light, even for this field. It really boils down to whether you believe “President of Soccer United Marketing” is a qualification or not. There’s nothing Carter is going to do to win over someone who has the fears of all SUM.

    Carter is also running an old-fashioned USSF campaign, which means meeting the people who actually have the vote. It was ridiculous to think that the President of SUM would not have the endorsement of the Chief Executive Officer of SUM, so people should not have been appalled that Don Garber was campaigning for her. Sunil Gulati, on the other hand, was pretending not to have endorsed anyone, at least until Grant Wahl followed up on endorsements from a couple of Eastern Seaboard soccer associations.

    Did I mention we’re dealing with a bunch of guys who are used to making decisions and are not used to being second-guessed? For all you who expected soccer associations to poll their membership on who they would support – did it hurt? When you fell off the tomato truck? You knew Carter was the insider candidate already, wipe the shocked look off your face.

    Then there’s Hope Solo, who…is putting together a clear and consistent platform backed up with the passion and sincerity of her beliefs. Everyone has made up their mind about Hope Solo, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean she’s not as serious a candidate as literally any of the others.

    If the theory is that you want a change candidate? If you want someone who is really going to change the old boy network, reshape the way the Federation does business, give more attention to the women’s program, give more outreach to poor and under-served communities? Solo is your candidate. Yes, she’s one of the least diplomatic people in the sport, but then, so is Wynalda.

    I know, it’s unfair to compare Solo to Wynalda. Solo has won championships. And Solo’s platform is coherent.

    There’s something irritating about USA Today, for example, saying Solo can’t win because of her previous controversial remarks.

    The problem for Solo is that she isn’t the only former player running, but she is the only one with a hostile relationship with the federation. She won’t be able to overcome that.”

    Emphasis in original.

    Hey, let’s go back and see what Wynalda told Scott French about the USSF:

    “I completely hated my experience with the United States Soccer Federation from 1989 until now. There hasn’t been a time in any of that that I trusted their motives, where I didn’t feel that I was being manipulated or deceived or lied to or essentially ruled by fear. We have been told, ‘Cooperate and comply or we don’t need you. Take it or leave it. Ninety/ten is our idea of a partnership,’ and then we’re expected to wear the crest and be proud and go represent our country. It doesn’t work that way. It’s been that way for too long…Playing for the national team really is not something that anybody enjoys anymore. And that’s mainly because of the relationship with their federation is horrible. And that has gone back the last couple of decades. Anybody that has played for the national team will tell you without hesitation that they hate their federation.”

    But Solo is the irrational one. Why, she can barely form a coherent thought:

    Hope Solo says she will eliminate sexism and discrimination in her campaign statement. She did not offer how she would do that. She didn’t write a paragraph about it. She didn’t even write a complete sentence about how she would eliminate two things that have existed in our society since its inception. Just know that she’s gonna do that. Sexism and discrimination in soccer? Boom. Gone.

    Yes, Hope’s platform was collected into bullet points. The thinking behind those bullet points was spelled out in detail in her Facebook post and the “Why I’m running” section.

    Now, if one were to say that Solo, too, assumes a USSF President bestowed with limitless power for good or evil, then yes, that would be a fair criticism. If you were to tell me that Solo, like most of the other candidates, is running for dictator, I would listen attentively.

    But calling Solo unrealistic and unclear in the same race where Silent Cal doesn’t even have a website, and Eric Wynalda promises to ban summer soccer? Asinine.

    The United States Soccer Federation is a licensing organization. It provides a bureaucracy to handle player contracts, manage leagues and tournaments, administer the laws, and occasionally promote the game.

    Lately it has achieved attention for assembling a series of men’s and women’s all-star teams to compete with other national teams in various competitions. Those are the Federation’s primary revenue sources, and by the way the source of every single one of its fans.

    The mission for the USSF is the following:

    Stop losing;

    Stop getting sued;

    Host the World Cup.

    Instead, we will get someone whose mission will be to continue to consolidate power, for whatever perceived good. I believe Pete Townshend had the final word when it came to making introductions with recently-ascended overseers.
     
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Okay, fine. Who ya got?

  1. Gans

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  2. Wynalda

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  3. Winograd

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. Cordeiro

    7 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Caligiuri

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Martino

    3 vote(s)
    5.7%
  7. Carter

    17 vote(s)
    32.1%
  8. Solo

    11 vote(s)
    20.8%

Comments

Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017.

    1. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Why should the Columbus Crew stay? Any answer I give you won't be good enough but here ya go.

      Columbus was the original MLS franchise. Meaning, Columbus was the fist city in the US to support MLS with the largest number of ST reservations at 10,000.

      Columbus has the first SSS. Having a stadium is a requirement for any new expansion franchise yet the league wants to move out of one? Why?

      Columbus is a soccer city. Every time you see ratings for TV viewership Columbus is at or near the top. When PSG played Madrid in Ohio Stadium there were 80,000+ people in attendance. CCC is considered to be the spiritual home of the USMNT.

      Now, why doesn't the Columbus Crew sell out all their games? In a nutshell, lack of local engagement from ownership. The Hunts, after Lamar died, paid no attention to Columbus at all. When the rules changed to allow multiple DP's, the Hunts, and Precourt, didn't invest. Precourt did get a second DP late and added a third well after he was working to move the team so his investment in particular is suspect.

      If you got anything out of the links I gave you, you would see that Precourt cut Hispanic outreach, and actively pushed Hispanic Supporters groups away by not allowing them a ticket allotment in the Nordecke for the 2015 MLS Cup.

      Precourt didn't advertise our playoff games last year. At all. #Savethecrew is responsible for getting us sellouts, or close to selouts, in our home playoff matches. Imagine what an engaged, local owner, one that would be involved in local business groups, could do.

      But you didn't answer my question.

      Why Austin? Why not work to better the situation in Columbus? There is no guarantee of success in Austin and I would argue there is a much larger chance of catastrophic humiliation there.

      The new 4th division team in Columbus has had a bigger effect on the city than the potential move has had in Austin.

      There is just no support for this anywhere, from anyone except Garber and Precourt. None.
       
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    2. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      No, that's not the problem. Not in the least.

      You see, moving an established club is a very big, very serious thing. It should never, under any circumstances, be done lightly. It is my heartfelt belief, that relocation is a mechanism that should only be used as an absolute last resort.

      It is therefore, down to the people pushing for this move to justify it and furthermore, to justify the proposed destination.

      From where I'm sitting, they've not done that.

      In fact, if you want to talk about support, I posted a blog entry on this very topic earlier this week. In four years of writing my humble blog, the greatest number of hits I had ever received for a single entry was a bit over 200, over the course of about a year. In 2016 and 2017, I got approximately 1,700 views per year. Within three days, my piece on the Crew racked up close to 700 views.

      Even if the attendance hasn't historically done it justice, people care about this team. And if #SaveTheCrew can start rallying attendances, it'll prove that Precourt could have too.
       
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    3. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM

      we will see this year but 1700 and 700 views...is not going to cut it. You need 170,000 views a thousand or two thousand people aren't going to save the crew no matter how much they care.
       
    4. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      You're missing the point and misunderstanding the numbers.

      My lowly blog is not broadly read. It's a passtime. Something I do for a bit of fun. It's not well publicised and if you don't know me, or stumble across me here or on twitter (and often, even if you do) you're not going to know about my blog.

      First off, 1,700 is what I was averaging in the two years prior to this. Usually, I'm satisfied if one of my posts gets 20+ hits. If I slap a link to Galaxy-related stuff in a BS forum, it might reach the 60s. If Loney retweets a pro/rel piece, that's when I might hit 3 digits, but only twice have I broke 200.

      My point was that my lowly blog got inside three days, 40% of the traffic that I normally see in an entire year. If the rest of my posts got that much attention, I'd be seeing 18,000 at the end of this year. More than 10x as much as usual.

      Those 700 people are by no means the population of #SaveTheCrew advocates. They're a mere sliver.
       
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    5. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I get the point and I understand the numbers.

      1700 isn't enough 700 isn't enough and nothing changes that. Its a sliver for a slightly bigger movement of a few thousand people.

      I get the point is you love the crew I get i and nobody doubts that. The facts are though the crew is a small club and are not flashy at all in a sport that needs to grow to survive in this country and the club needs to do the same to not fall behind the newer mls clubs that are larger and flashy. Being the small original club is nice but those are the clubs that end up in the third tier and the fans talk about how it was 20 years ago.
       
    6. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Grow by moving to a smaller city with zero soccer history other than multiple failed minor league teams?

      Again, why Austin?
       
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    7. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      same reason as why columbus, if you have an owner willing to spend the money to buy a team then you get a team. If not you are columbus.
       
    8. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      You realize this word salad makes no sense, right?
       
    9. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      makes total sense...the owner doesn't want to own a team there, nobody wants it...so its moving.
       
    10. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Because you seem to not be able to comprehend the question, I'll rephrase.

      You believe there is better support in Austin than in Columbus? You know Austin city council just quit working on a stadium site because of tge inaction of PSV, right?

      Again, make a case for Austin. Your constant lie about no one wanting the team in Columbus is total shit, btw, but I have yet to hear a definitive argument for Austin.

      So, why Austin?
       
    11. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      The fact that you keep mentioning the 1700 shows you don't get it.

      That's what I NORMALLY GET.

      In a full year.

      Total.

      If every post I put up got the traffic of this past Crew-related entry, that would give me 18,000 hits.

      18,000.

      Against 1,700.

      I'm also not a Crew fan. I support LA Galaxy in MLS. I just don't agree with relocation unless there is no other realistic option.
       
    12. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      there is no option, now willing local owner to put up the 200 mill for the value of the franchise and locally not willing to build a stadium to keep up with the new trned of nice stadiums in mls.

      crew are holding onto the ...we were an original team like people care about that.
       
    13. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      There's the option of staying put. There's the option of Precourt and MLS building a new stadium or updating the existing one.
       
    14. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      There is absolutely an option. There is a piece of land in the heart of downtown right on the river and next to an area that is being redeveloped. Dodge Park.

      Another piece of land has been offered in the Arena District within walking distance of Nationwide Arena, home of the NHL Blue Jackets, and Huntington Park, Home of the Columbus Clippers.

      Both pieces of property have been offered but, just like they did in Austin, PSV hasn't commented.

      Also, a member of the Schottenstein family, the same family with their name on the OSU basketball arena, Ohio Stadium and owner of the land in the Arena District has made an offer to buy but was ignored.

      Where do you get your bullshit information?

      And again, where is the public support for Austin?

      Go away troll.

      http://www.dispatch.com/news/20171129/columbus-offered-crew-sc-two-city-parks-as-stadium-sites
       
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    15. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      so are you going to put up the 400 million for the stadium I mean I assume with thew crew being such a well followed club you need atleast 35-50K right?

      he offered pennies on the dollar.

      we all must stay together and save the crew, get them out of ohio immediately.
       
    16. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      First, answer the question.

      Why Austin?

      Next, how do you know what he offered? I thought you said there was no offer at all?

      I know the offer.

      Answer all the questions above and I'll tell you.

      All of them.

      Go ask Don for permission.
       
    17. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      why austin?

      great community
      an owner who is willing to fund a team
      new market meaning new oppportunity

      offered pennies on a dollar.

      here is why you can know what he was offered.

      rich people don't turn down big profits.

      truth is there wasn't a real offer they didn't even reply because it was such a joke.

      if you had a house valued at 500,000 and a guy stopped by and offered you 5,000 you wouldn't even reply you'd just walk away and thats what they did.

      talked to don he said crew fans were the worse and I agree just a bunch of blog and twitter babies who love to call people names on message board and twitter but forget that if they really cared they would've gone to matches.
       
    18. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Austin is smaller than Columbus and there has been zero community interest in getting a MLS team. Zero.

      The league was offered $150m for the team.

      When you talked to don, did he say anything about being drunk at the draft yesterday? 2008 draft? LA Football craft?

      Looked like getting drowned out by red bull and union fans chanting "save the crew" had old Donnie a little flustered. Thats right, the majority were from Sons of Ben. Are they blog and twitter babies, too?

      Donnie shit his pants a little.

      Its only going to get worse.
       
    19. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Hey trollboy, are you going to this?

      954831897678499847 is not a valid tweet id


      For those of you that dont see tweets, a local Austin group is organizing against using any parkland for a stadium.

      Columbus Crew ain't moving.
       
    20. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM

      people don't want public money spent on a stadium....that happens everywhere its not even an issue.

      they actually wanted the crew to move this year but there just wasn't enough time.

      I am excited to see the new austin club and get rid of this trash club in ohio.

      the upside though is if wynalda is pres you won't have to worry about it.

      he'll try to decert mls and make nasl the division one league and when the real stakeholders push back it will be way more entertaining then the 700 crew fans who are upset about their club being crap.
       
    21. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Ahhhhh... I can see your panties are now in a bunch.

      Austin doesn't want this. Look at the other threads, posts from actual Austin residents are 100% meh.

      Fun to see garber squirm.

      Your pissy posts make my day troll!
       
    22. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      interesting

      every single time you fall into the childish name calling you humiliate urself mr trump.

      I see fans from ohio saying that austin doesn't want a team. I see people in austin saying they don't want the stadium built in that spot...not that they don't want a team.

      #endthecrew
       
    23. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Show the uprising of support for a team in Austin.
       
    24. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I support crew moving to Austin...garber does too. Support has doubled...can u beat support doubling? See how easy it us to make the numbers fit an opinion.
       
    25. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      So that makes two of you. Are you posting from the rally against giving parkland away?
       

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