Absent unspecified legal action, it would be pretty difficult to unravel an effective cartel. Probably the best you can hope for is some kind of "internal" pro/rel, although I'm not exactly holding my breath on that.
The English talent pool that you describe as 'shot' actually has 2 youth World Cups a youth European Championship and also Toulon winners I believe - is that really a 'shot' talent pool!!
- Yes the U20s just won the youth WC, but maybe check the 20yrs leading up to it. - The U21s just made the Semis of the UEFA tournamnet, but were 7th of 8 in the group stage the previous 3 tournaments. - Isn't the Toulon the glorified friendly tournament? Like the Dallas Cup? I mean they only play 40m halves even right? Some good results in the last year or two ... maybe they're getting back on track. Maybe not. Let's see if the next several years builds the track record they've had up to these couple of results, yeah?
Come on now ... you are every bit of guilty of this the other way as anyone is at you or others that share your views. 10000% that would be fantastic. PLENTY of us have asked and done everything to drag these answers out of people that vehemently support pro/rel in the US. I (and many others) WOULD LOVE to hear these ideas, thoughts, and approaches.
You don't have to. This was started last time you were making this complaint: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/pro-rel-fantasies-implementation-and-maintenance.2024344/ Interestingly, you never chose to participate.
But how many will end up in EPL? Brexit may be to their advantage as EU players will be counted as foreign rather than "domestic".
It would be a constructive and worthwhile debate, considering most people posting on this thread seem to be in favor of pro-rel in principle. To me it's just a case of how and when you implement it without diluting the investments of the current shareholders. Pro/rel can happen two ways. One is for a confederation or court to impose it, which would basically destroy top-flight football in the US, the other way is for the owner/operators to vote for it, which would be like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving/Christmas.
I remember that thread. Even more interestingly, virtually all the participants were "anti" pro/rel people. I use quotation marks because most of us aren't against pro/rel in principle, and just recognize that pro/rel isn't practical in the US at this time.
MLS 2 - $50 million "expansion fee" giving team a B share in MLS - Meets MLS D2 standards requirements (stadium, finances, ownership etc) Promotion requirements - Finishes top of conference - Wins inter-conference play-off - Wins playoff against bottom team in MLS 1 - Additional fee to buy relegated teams shareholding to be used as a parachute payment to relegated club - Meets MLS D1 standards requirements today or within stated timescale (stadium, finances, ownership etc) (No media market or urban population requirements) Implementation timescales 2030-2036, by which time several USL/NASL teams may meet the required standards Simple! Problems are (edited): a. most of those suggestions will be shot down immediately b. every poster in this thread will have vastly different ideas c. it will take 1,000 posts to establish some vague agreement about how pro-rel can be implemented, by which time this thread will have degraded into personal attacks again
Don't forget the the U19 are also World Champions, oh and don't forget the England U17 are also World Champions if you know of ANY country in the world with better youth honours I would like to hear of it? Yet still we are supposed to be 'lacking in talen't'?
I guess time will tell, I don't know the stats but I think there are more English players than any other nationality in the Premier League? Perhaps somebody can confirm? Harry Kane is tearing up the Premier League and is currently one of the worlds very best strikers, Real Madrid are itching to have him but like most English players he wants to stay in the Premier League, in other words if you are good enough you will 'make it' and people trying to argue that there is no English talent coming through when the youth teams have won nearly everything is just 'stereotypical' nonsense.
Mexico, not very long ago. In 2011-12, they were U-17 world champions, U-20 semifinalists, Olympic (U-23) gold medalists, which means they won two out of three youth world titles and were semifinalists in the other. They followed it up by being U-17 runners up in 2013. In the years 2011-2013, their youth programs had a far better record in world championships than England in the last two years.
Don't forget that they almost didn't make the 2014 World Cup either with all those talented young players.
The English are currently U-17 World cup winners, U-20 World cup winners, U-21 European Championship runners up, U-21 Toulon Champions (2nd win in a row), as for 'gold medalists' this is something we will never know because the English are not allowed to partake in Olympic football. I think that is more World Cups than you mentioned? Anyway THE point is that to describe the English as 'lacking in talent' which is something I often hear from Americans (for some reason) is rubbish and nothing more than bad stereotyping, the English produce talent and it is plainly obvious that they are still producing right now so to use this as an argument against pro/rel is laughable.
My original quote was a dig at Mexico because they had won or placed well in all those youth tournaments but none of those fantastic youth players meant squat when they were a min away from watching the World Cup from home.
Yeah, one of them I think highly of and described in one of the English Uxx threads as the first player since Owen at that age that made me excited about what he's going to be in a few years is Mason Mount. That chap oozes top quality.