Allienz Frauen-Bundesliga 2017-18(Winters coming)

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Sep 2, 2017.

  1. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    #201 hotjam2, Dec 19, 2017
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    my reference guide/soccerway website had Pernille Harder with just a hat trick, but looks like she actually got four goals. But it was against a rather weak, Koln team(they lost 0-7 vs Bremen, last week), that even Peter & Hansen scored against them, lol


    for me, it's really a toss up between Harder & Aussie, Sam Kerr. for best player in the world. But Kerr got a tendency to get off sides, whereas Harder looks flawless at times(though Kerr has more of that electric feel)
     
  2. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    Best players in Bundesliga so far for me would be Harder, Pajor, Kemme, Elsig and Magull, judging from the games that I’ve seen.
     
  3. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    I wrote this a few months back, but looks like the wifey & hubby,..I mean wifey & wifey team of Massar & Mcleod are moving to Wolfsburg/ What on earth their going to bring to a squad that has everything all ready(cept the CL championship) is beyond me. But if they start(in place of Popp & Schult) we just might have the first completely non German team in Bundesliga! lol
    http://www.sportbuzzer.de/artikel/e...der-dritte-neuzugang-ist-da-und-musik-macht-/

    screw FIFA as pretty much everybody's else at the end of the year is picking Harder as POY. Here's a list from the once influential soccerunited website. Though the rest of the list is pretty much wft as well as obviously written by an English person(3 of them made the top 10) who probably only saw the Euros(4 Dutch in the top 15). All the while, my pick as the US top player(Julie Ertz) is only at 51. The best defender from the top NT in the world,, Alana Kennedy, is only at 91. Poor Pajor & Hansen have low ratings & no where to be found are my faves, Elsig & Dallmann
    http://www.womenssoccerunited.com/top-100-players-of-2017/#comments
     
  4. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    and the invasion of foreigners continues, Thomsen, will we ever again hear from the last German fans, blue/white & batfink?
    Bayern Munich, a rich club who could keep German interest in woso alive, by actually hiring more domestics, has just announced the signing of the English lass, Leah Galton. She's one of those fast wingers, coning down the flanks(hmm.....but doesn't BM have a half dozen of those all ready, yet never uses them to great effect?)
    https://fcbayern.com/de/news/2017/12/fcb-frauen-verpflichten-leah-galton-zum-1-januar
     
  5. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    I can’t take them serious when they rate Babett Schlecht top 62 in the world lol and no Elsig. More like bottom 62 in the world would be more appropriate for the «skills» that she has (what skills lol). No Elsig is ridiculous

    VAVEL.com’s better, there Elsig’s at least number 85 and Babett Schlecht no where near to be found. You should see that list, they add some facts about the women’s game as well.

    Bayern’s pretty much a German team. Behringer, Leupolz, Faisst, Maier, Laudehr, Däbritz and Islacker starting the last game. Also into consideration that Rolser and Wieder’s on the bench + Lotzen, Demann and Gerhardt injured, they’re pretty much a German team with some foreigners.

    More worrying about Wolfsburg yes, for German football’s sake they should take into consideration using more of their own players. Considering that Babett Peter and Anna Blässe shouldn’t be anywhere the Wolfsburg squad in terms of skills, Wolfsburg consists of three Germans for me: Schult, Gössling and Popp. I would believe that Fischer’s soon retiring and Peter thrown out of the club or at least benched anytime soon so Wensing/Wedemeyer can take their places. Peter’s the biggest joke in German woso together with Henning, just get rid of them
     
  6. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Bayern just signed now a Chinese GK, that's not even part of her own NT(as well as Galton still hasn't as of yet made the English NT) lol..

    just found the Vavel list; it's way better than the one I produced earlier. But Lucy Bronze only at #41? It's got the US ratings better,; Ertz at the #16, Sam Mewis at #9, But Mewis anchored the Courage/NWSL squad that won the league's regular season.

    As much as I like her, Hansen is a bit overrated at #6 ^ no love her Popp? Interesting though. Maro & Kemme make up #12 & #15. They really saved Jones butt in her switch to 2 DM's. Will they take Germany back to the the glory days of 2013-14 when the Kessler/Goessling DM partnership ruled woso?
     
  7. Thomsen

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    Kemme’s good at DM
    not Maro
    should play AM obviously but then we know which incompetent coach Jones is lol
     
  8. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    just found this vid on Pernille Harder, dated a few weeks back. Don't know how truth full it is but it gives her player salary at Wolfsburg is $400K while making one mill $$$ annually(I guess from sports wear contracts, her own soccer school for kids & other ventures).
    But isn't 400K extremely high? as compared to the top domestic player, Mandy Islacker only making a reported $100K at BM
     
  9. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    the invasion of the foreigners continue; Laure Georges transfer to Bayern Munich; CONFIRMED
     
    blissett repped this.
  10. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    Well they need centerbacks so Laudehr can play up front
     
  11. hotjam2

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    BM seems to play with only one true CB......and barring injuries they still should have Wenninger, Schnaderbeck & Demann


    Goerges has only started twice for PSG this season & simply looked atrocious in the German friendly(pulled out before the 2nd half after they went down, 0-3)
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hmmm, I'm sure Bayern stated themselves wanting to gradually groom more talent from within their newly successful junior girls program; it's just that many of these youth internationals within their club are also still too young/inexperienced to realistically help this team maintain their current hold on a 2nd place UCL qualification, no?

    So even if the coaching side of Bayern can still seem a little... inconclusive, with better fitness they could have also had many matches this season where Maier - Demann - Faißt - Leupolz - Behringer - Laudehr - Gerhardt - Däbritz - Islacker all find a starting place. Now compare this to Wolfsburg... lol.

    Knowing this It's easy to see why Bayern might be better taking a safe short term bet on Goerges, when they can't really sign any elite domestic defenders from league rivals, but could potentially finish the winter break still needing a AM/CM like Laudher to continue playing in a CB role.
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yes, Bayern stupidly let a promising CB like Clara Schöne go to new rivals Freiburg, but Bayern are in a league where a rebuilding Frankfurt can still find a impressive Prießen - Störzel CB partnership, and this while possessing the U-19/20's regular first choice CB partnership (Pawollek - Kleinherne); oh, not forgetting Hendrich, or a U-20 WC wining CB Gideon are also credible CB options if they really want to get really crazy too lol.

    So Wolfsburg are a definite problem when it comes to the way big clubs affect the potential future of a national team, but now I think its on the leagues other teams/coaches to take advantage of Wolfsburg's perceived failings, and finally produce squads with a genuine level of domestic depth to stifle, challenge, or stop the current order of things.
     
  14. hotjam2

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    Bayern has had several injuries, but they got now a great deal of players on their roster. I count 15 foreigners among 32 registered
    https://us.women.soccerway.com/teams/germany/fc-bayern-munchen/4417/

    why such a vast array of players for one team?(most other squads only ave 24)
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Why...? Well, I personally think it's down to the poor recruitment process Bayern went through during their back to back title winning seasons.

    Instead of continuing to make those title wining teams stronger, Bayern's confusing transfer policy through those years resulted in the bloated and unbalanced squad we see them using right now.
     
  16. Thomsen

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    i think having five native starters is good in the top clubs of woso
    Wolfsburg have sometimes five starters, but two of these are not great players at all
    no wonder why woso doesn't get the respect it earns when watching Blässe and Peter for a so called "top team" in woso soccer lol
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yeah, seeing their improved effectiveness scoring and creating goals, you can't really argue with the foreign composition of Wolfsburg's current attack; but when it comes to the mid-field and defensive choices, I still believe them to be showcasing a serious blind spot utilizing the potential talent within their own nation.

    Meaning they have Hansen - Dickenmann - Jakabfi - Fischer as quality signings that not only elevate their team in mid-field and defensive roles, but also help elevate the quality within the entire league. But knowing they let Faißt, Magull, Simic all leave, so Bernauer - Maritz - Gunnarsdottir can now find starting places...:confused:

    Even if Wolfsburg always wanted to replace Faißt, Magull, Simic with foreign signings, I don't understand how Bernauer - Maritz - Gunnarsdottir are the best options a club with Wolsfburg's budget could find.
     
  18. Thomsen

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    What I don't get with Wolfsburg is that they don't do more with their defense, that's their weak part -- moving Gössling from DM and pairing her up with Fischer makes a good CB combo but Blässe at RB is a one way mess. Also Peter captaining Wolfsburg in Fischer's absence tells me that the coaches must love her for some reason.
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I think this probably has to do with them having so much offensive power right now, that Wolfsburg's coaches don't feel like they need to start addressing any defensive concerns; however, like you I also feel Wolfsburg could be on another level right now if they just had a genuine partner for Fischer, so....

    Plus it needs to be said both Wensing and Wedemeyer remain the teams obvious potential long term CB replacements; but this within a reality both Wolfsburg and Bayern likely spend the end of season acquiring about Elsig, with Wolfsburg knowing there's plenty domestic and foreign FB options for them to instantly improve their ageing defensive line.
     
  20. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    Elsig's maybe going to Bayern or Wolfsburg or? And for how long will Magull be with Freiburg before she eventually returns to Wolfsburg? No secret that I'm a Bayern fan (of the male team), I might starting rooting more for the frauen team if Elsig's joining the pack.

    Wolfsburg's the only team I view to be a genuine threat to Lyon in the Champions League, but defensively they are gonna struggle so hard if Blässe and Peter are on the pitch, feel bad for the other Wolfsburg players, they certainly deserve better.
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I don't see what's really keeping Elsig at Potsdam beyond this season... alongside Fischer, Elsig's probably been the best defender in this league for the past 3 years, and currently aged 25 has seen many less talented players all progress beyond her (club/international) all thanks to them simply playing for more high profile clubs.

    So is it fair to suggest she currently requires a move to finally see her status rise for club and country... no. But without a serious injection of good recruitment, I don't see how Potsdam puts themselves in a position to help Elsig ignore the financial and career advancements coming from rival clubs.

    Oh, and if she can really help it, all the signs point towards there being little chance Magull's ever going to play for Wolfsburg again.
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Blässe isn't really a bad player though, previously showcasing some really strong performances from her new RB role too; however, it's just her rather late in life conversion towards being an attacking RB came with her not quite grasping the full complexities of defending within a 4 player unit.

    See, in 1v1 duels Blässe will rarely get beat, possessing the speed/athleticism to go up and down the wing like we'd expect to see from a modern FB within the sports stronger teams. But compared to the best FB's in the women's game, your just not going to see Blässe defensively controlling her opponent, and still time intelligent runs forward to help assist others, or score goals.

    I mean look at how badly Denmark's FB's exposed Kerschowski and Blässe's inability to defend within a unit at the Euro's, and then think how many times you'd see a smaller less athletic Maier get beat in the exact same scenario's... this is what can happen with experienced FB's vs wingers who get converted to playing as a FB.
     
  23. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    I'll definitely love to see Elsig for Bayern. I hope she doesn't go to Wolfsburg, I mean the coaches there seem to love Peter no matter what so I don't want Elsig to spend her time on the bench.

    As decent as she is at 1v1 defending, it doesn't help when she's metres away from the player(s) she's supposed to defend against due to her positionally poor game. Her speed and athleticism going forward doesn't help when she doesn't know how to handle the ball or where or when to pass the ball away. I mean, I've watched her the whole year for Wolfsburg and NT and I'm very little excited when she gets he ball, I mean she hasn't many assists for the NT or Wolfsburg as a supposedly "good FB going forward". She has her pros, but there's more cons with her game. Her pros are at times useless, like the quarterfinal against Denmark, worst FB performance I've witnessed my whole life. I don't know who were the poorest in that game, Kerschowski or Blässe? lol

    How Maier isn't the first choice for Steffi Jones remains a mystery for me, yes she's not been at her best last year but she was good for the NT when she got the chances. Then being benched to watch Blässe... Same with Simon, I think Simon's a brilliant LB actually, she just needs time to adapt to the NT.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Being so damn important, if Fischer eventually leaves WOB or simply retires in the next two years, I'm 100% convinced Wolfsburg will be forced to address the entire nature of their approach to defense; but I'm honestly not sure how much this will correlate with them finally recruiting or internally promoting domestic talent.

    I know Wolfsburg have a rather impressive U-19/20 defender/DM in their junior team, but just let former U-19/20 international defender Johanna Tietge go to Sand; and this while still not using Wedemeyer very much as a fit Wensing strangely takes a lot longer to regain a first team starting role.

    So following the current patterns of decreasing domestic talent at Wolfsburg, who knows what happens to this teams defense in the next two years...
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yeah... but is this really strange in the women's game where the mere ability to dominate through athleticism is still perceived as a more valuable commodity than actual skill...?

    RB = Maier - Schmidt, LB = Simon - Faißt. It should really be that simple...
     

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