The Official Mikael Stahre thread

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by gevalia90, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now that I see he is Swedish, i guess we are going to go for Zlatan!
     
  2. bobby_guzman

    bobby_guzman Member+

    Oct 24, 2014
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stahre's current club, BK Hacken, has a stadium whose roof design looks almost like ours. They even have the damn frayed inner edges that we do!

    Talk about a small world LOL
     
  3. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    Does it have a sky lounge? :)
     
  4. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leave it to Jazzy to already be Stahre-struck.
     
  5. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even better, a Stahre Lounge!
     
  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Before or after the World Cup?
     
  7. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    No, that is actually very Kinnearean, and that is not what I would like to see in the next coach. IMO Dom was a coach who considered himself a solid tactician, who could get the most out of his players on any given day to give the team the best chance to win. He has said as much. Not the "solid tactician" part, but the part about giving your team the best chance to win under the circumstances (who the opponent is, who you have on your team, are you home or away, etc.). So I would say that he was pretty flexible tactically if you look at his career as a whole. He tended to coach conservatively with the Quakes because that's the kind of team he felt he had.

    That is all well and good but it doesn't get you to an identifiable club style, in particular one that is "entertaining and attacking" as Jesse has all but promised. So I would like to see a coach that does not adapt the style to the players, but one who adapts the players to the style. That means that you have to be willing to take your lumps in the short term as you build the team to your style, but eventually you should get there, and then you finally have a commitment to a desirable style of play and good execution of that style.

    Now to be fair, it is entirely possible that Jesse lays down the parameters for him - no, we're going to commit to this style, and he does a perfectly fine job of it. So we will see.
     
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  8. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I'm not so sure I like the way this guy coaches. I watched some tape of his previous team, and they were always Hacken.
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We are talking in hypotheticals. No one knows what tactic or system he will employ until he gets here. I just hope he brings in some good forwards or creative midfielders from Europe.
     
  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    This is just me. I don't want him to choose the system he employs. I want the GM and Technical Director to tell him what system he will employ. Otherwise, it becomes - the 1st team does one thing, Reno does another thing, the academy does another thing, etc., and we are back to Dom / Doyle World with no identifiable club style or system. I want the GM and TD to commit the entire club to an entertaining, attacking style, and to be bold and innovative, and I don't care if it takes some time to really become consistently successful with it.
     
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  11. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    According to a Swedish poster on reddit, his last name is pronounced "star-eh". That is important for the punsters. We need to get our stahres straight.
     
  12. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Kinnear was in no way a flexible coach. His teams played with basically the same players, in the same way, with the same strategies, almost as if Kinnear wasn't really aware they ever played against more than one other team. He was neither a tactician nor pliable. He had the team play defensively every time all the time. The players he had never changed his approach, as when he had better players, he used them ineffectually in the style he wanted the team to play. How else could you routinely suffer so few goals and score so few goals? By taking literally no risks whatsoever.

    I'm not saying that a coach who wants to be flexible to suit the opponent will be a good thing for San Jose, but it's definitely not something that Kinnear can be characterized for.
     
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  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I said that over the course of his career, he did employ different tactics if he thought he had the players for a given set of tactics. Go back and watch the 2005 Quakes. Possession-oriented, non-direct, played through the midfield, pure CAM in DeRo, etc. Or look at some of the Houston teams and how they played. It is just with the Quakes, he never felt he had the players to play a style other than the 4-4-2 with double-pivot CM's.
     
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  14. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    So we're getting a new coach that bailed right in the middle of his previous contract? From a second division Swedish team that came in fourth last year? Terrific. Color me unenthusiastic.
     
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  15. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First division. BK Häcken finished fourth in the first division Allsvenskan last year. The left back we're linked to is from the second division.
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  17. sj_vanbasten

    sj_vanbasten Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I perceive a lot of excitement about this guy, but I don't really get it.

    One major contributing factor to team success is stability. In the past few years we have either changed coaches or blown up large parts of the team each off season (or mid season in many cases). Unfortunately we've had some bad signings and so a lack of talent has necessitated some of this churn. But now we seem to have some reasonable semblance of a talent backbone, I'd like to see it develop, of course wouldn't mind 1 or 2 additions to help the center of the defense and maybe a creative mid. But I hope we can have a 3 year run where the majority of what we have stays together. One thing about this coach is he seems to move on after 18 months at most in a position...

    Second, I am skeptical about the ability of European coaches having success in MLS. Not saying he can't be successful, but the grinding travel, the lack of his players technical nous (maybe less of an issue that it was 10 years ago), are one of the reasons I liked CL as coach. New blood in the coaching ranks, but with an awareness of MLS culture.

    I hope this guy is great, but I feel no more confident heading into next year than I would have with CL if this is the guy...
     
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  18. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Fourth out of 16 teams isn't bad but it's still the Swedish league.
     
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  19. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I don't buy it. At this point, it seems a lot more likely that the players from the earlier San Jose and Houston teams were doing what they wanted to do despite whatever Kinnear was telling them. Kinnear had plenty of opportunities to change tactics as new players were brought in upon his return, especially in 2017, and didn't bother. He played a completely useless Dawkins for ages despite next to no production, with other, better players available. He used the same midfield configuration, which could not hold the ball to save their lives, despite it repeatedly costing the Quakes opportunities.

    Remember that Kinnear's teams have never been very good offensively save for two individual years, years that sure look a lot more like inspired individual player efforts than anything Kinnear did. He was a coach in name only.
     
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  20. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #46 JazzyJ, Nov 24, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2017
    This is all I need to prove my point.

    https://www.houstondynamo.com/post/2012/11/28/kinnear-unafraid-change-formation-during-mls-cup

    The idea that it only appeared to have been tactical changes because players were just doing what they wanted to do regardless of coaching is just preposterous.

    With the Quakes, Dom appeared to be pretty set in his ways - double-pivot center mids, 4 in the back, attacking wide mids. Very reluctant to play a CAM. But that is because he did not have a CM who he liked as CAM. When he had DeRo he played him at CAM for most of 4 consecutive years, and during that time won a Supporter's Shield and two MLS Cups.
     
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  21. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    #47 chris thebassplayer, Nov 24, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2017
    Hmm, we'll see what happens, but I have concerns.

    The resume is thin with a lot of short term stays. He signed a three year contract and just bailed on his club after one season...one month before the start of their new season...not a good look. If he is actually good we won't have him for longer than a season or two.

    How will he connect with the Latin American players. Will this be similar to Erikkson's cool analytical approach colliding unsuccessfully with Mexico's passionate creative playing style...

    Will he prioritize bringing in more European players versus South American players. The quality South American players have proven to be very successful in MLS across the board, raising the overall performance and appeal...widening the fanbase demographic.

    Jesse's vibe is bringing in people who want to build a successful team...to be part of something long term.

    I don't see anything thing in his coaching history to indicate he's that type of person. I just see red flags.
     
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  22. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, I'm noticing a Europhilic trend in Jesse's moves. Hoesen, Flo, Hyka, Affolter, Stahre, all Euros (though some of those were likely in the works before he joined - particularly Hoesen and Hyka). And even Urena was plucked from a Euro league. They did re-sign Godoy so that's one thing. But I get the sense that Jesse feels like he can improve the club by bringing in more and more Euros. Even the additional technical hires from last year are Euros, Covelo and Cremanzidis.

    And then we have Tom Fox on the business side, who's American but is a wanna-be Euro :-(.
     
  23. clashcityrocker

    Mar 12, 1999
    In the shadow of RFK
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    "Star, eh"? I'm confused, is he Swedish or Canadian?
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Going the Euro route is fine if you have tons of money to work with. The Quakes do not have tons of money to work with. The best values are in South America (and Africa if you have decent scouting there). Yeah you can find some undervalued Europeans if you really know what you're doing, but Innocent Emeghara was making more than Diego Valeri and Ignacio Piatti combined.
     
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