Crushed hopes and dreams - Transfers, Rumors and Lies Thread

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  1. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    Theo, Dani and Vinicius snubbed Barca in a single summer. Enough said. PL for all the money still can't attract the very best. You'd think Neymar would leave for a PL club in the "league everyone wants to play in", but he went to PSG instead. Same with Mbappe who snubbed Pep even though they are oil rich as well.


    Exactly. Theo, Vinicius, Odegaard, Dani etc didn't believe in Barca myth. See the amount of players they wasted from Arsenal. Did Song get a game? Vermaelen? Alves hates their board. Gomes, Arda, Alcacer, Denis Suarez all have become irrelevant going there. Meanwhile we have developed Marcelo, Varane, Asensio etc the right way. Higuain was also developed as an 18 year old and we didn't treat him badly. He just couldn't show up in big games which is the case even now. Funny seeing the hypocrisy of some RM fans when it comes to Farca.
     
  2. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is going to be the B and the B joined the team because of the C. The first galacticos joined the team because we were already built to succeed. Part of the attraction is winning and playing with the best, and if we can't offer that and we can't overcome the transfer fee/wage issues, then surely we will have problems getting top players.

    Worst of all is that we let seasoned world class talents already integrated into the team go, and kept the deadweight. We didn't have to spend a penny to keep the team competitive in the near and long term future but the ego's of Flo and Zidane were prioritized because they wanted credit for the bbC.

    So it will be very difficult to sell this project to players when it is clear the team already peaked and is on the way down. And rebuilding is going to take a couple of years with no guarantees. As for all the young guns we are doing them a tremendous disservice - they are sitting around instead of playing, they're development is stagnating, and they are probably losing form by the day; all of which will make it all but impossible to perform in limited minutes and make a claim for more playing time when that time comes. Vicious cycle here.
     
  3. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    #1078 4x4s, Nov 23, 2017
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    James' entire family was insulting Zidane on social media, which we could let slide if it would be some guy that joined the club last week, but this is a special guy to the club. It's the Eto'o situation all over again. Eto'o couldn't stand Guardiola, the feelings got mutual so they got rid of him despite it being a horrifying deal for the club business wise.

    James got replaced with Asensio who is doing a fantastic job at replacing him at 1/3 the cost.

    Funny how you say that the young players are sitting outside while the older players are playing, but you are a big supporter of playing a 27 year old James who hated the world over one of the biggest talents in europe.

    Even ignoring Asensio, it was pretty obvious in terms of form that Kovacic would give us a huge headache by the way he was looking like in preseason. Add him to the mix and you see why the club didn't have a worry to let a player move who hated being there.
     
  4. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    Letting James go was not an issue as we simply did not play the number 10 role. I've said it before, there is no way we could have kept such a talented bench and our transfer activity was actually pretty sensible. The ONLY mistake was not signing a top quality forward to replace Benzema.

    Who cares if Bale is injured, Isco rightly takes his place and it gives more minutes to Asensio. All our problems so far this season has literally been down to Benzema predictably being rubbish and Ronaldo unexpectedly following suit.

    If Ronaldo was on form, we would have topped our Champions League group and probably be top of La Liga. If Ronaldo was off form but we had a striker that could strike the ball, we would have topped our Champions League group and probably be top of La Liga.
     
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  5. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I would have been perfectly happy with a guy like Bakambu or Jovetic to take over from Morata.
     
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  6. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    Not unless we kept James for the second striker role and had the above mentioned as backup.
     
  7. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    #1082 robnycus, Nov 23, 2017
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    James was bossing the midfield and controlling the game for Bayern last night in the 2nd half. Asensio is not at that level yet.
    In any case, the team prefered Isco over James and the two are redundant players. Is really difficult to give continuity to both and to please them both in a team with the BBC up front as undisputed starters when healthy.
    We also have Ceballos now who I hope will help us bring some much needed creativity back in the final third of the pitch.
    Asensio IMO is still developing but lacks continuity and I am not yet clear how his career will pan out.
    He is 26 btw not 27.
     
  8. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
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    Real Madrid
    Who cares? James doesn't fit our system. Even if he did,Isco is better for the number 10 role.
     
  9. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
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    Our last transfer that was 35 M or higher was back in 2014/15 (James for 75 M).
    And before that was Gareth in 2013/14 for 100 M. And the one before that was in 2009/10(Ronaldo 95 M,Kaka 65, Xabi 35, Benzema 35).

    In 2009/10 we spent 257 M while selling players for 87 M.

    No reason not to believe that we could spend 200M+ this summer if we're gonna sell some players (Bale,Benzema, Cristiano?).
     
  10. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    The downside is that one good player cost 100m whilst a genuine world class talent is at least 150-200m. If Dembele, Mbappe and Lukaku have somewhat mediocre seasons, maybe it will bring some sense back to the market.

    If not, will be in a situation where we missed out on the likes of Jesus for relative peanuts and have to spend the equivalent entire value of a good club on one player.
     
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  11. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    A scrappy 1-2 against Anderlecht with the exact shift as Bayern put in yesterday would have the forum here going nuts about how bad the team is.
     
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  12. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
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    We are already completely set in defence for now. Same in the middlefield. It's only the goalkeeper and attack positions. Selling 2 out of the 3 BBC would generate at least 130 M.

    Selling Navas and 2 out of the 3 BBC for a new GK + 2 new attackers is plausible.
     
  13. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Groetzka will be out of a contract at the end of the season. Haven't watched him at all. Is he worth a shot here?
     
  14. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    I wish. Maybe someone (probably only one club) is stupid enough to pay 70m for Bale but no one is paying more than 30m for Benzema.
     
  15. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    He's a player i have a lot of time for, he's been considered a huge talent since he was a teenager. Apparently Barcelona have met with his agent, but I believe that Bayern will not let anybody take this one away from them. Hoeneß is a self admitted fan, and they apparently tried to sign him last summer but decided against it. I think he'll be in Munich next summer.
     
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  16. ABB94

    ABB94 Member+

    Feb 18, 2015
    England, UK
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    James would have actually fit in our current set-up of 4-3-1-2 behind the 2 strikers which is Isco's current role(4-4-2 diamond) but it was pretty clear he had no future at the club at the back end of last season.
     
  17. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The bad things about letting James go was not that he's gone. He had no place for Zidane

    The bad things were that we did not replace his production

    And that we practically gave away a world class player in an inflated market.
     
  18. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
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    Real Madrid
    We brought in Ceballos. It's not realistic to expect the club to bring in another world class player to compete witch Isco.
     
  19. russian hattie

    russian hattie Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
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    Real Madrid
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    England
    James is not missed. He was never essential and his contribution can be made up for, Asensio, Isco and Ceballos are all already making up.

    I love him as a player, but he was always a luxury. I would have kept him over Bale too.

    We needed to keep Morata. That’s our mistake this summer. Keep him or replace him. We did neither. We are paying for it too.
     
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  20. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    That's a valid point, but then, how will he get to that level with James taking away his minutes?
     
  21. Açores57

    Açores57 Member+

    Oct 4, 2015
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I could be wrong but i’m pretty sure Goretzka is an attacking mid. Don’t think we need more of those. Competent 9 and we’re all set.

    I thought I heard somewhere Werner’s buyout was 50m, if that’s true he should be our priority for that pricetag.
     
  22. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    Eden Hazard has 'admiration' for Real Madrid but focused on Chelsea

    'I am always very fine at this club. I still have two years of contract (left),' he said. 'When I feel the desire to leave, I'll leave. But, for now, I'm a Blue.'

    'We know the admiration that I have for Real, but I'm at Chelsea. Every year, things were said about me but I stayed.

    'In Lille, I was announced in Paris, but I stayed. And in Chelsea, people always said that I'm leaving, but I'm still here.'

    http://www.espn.in/football/soccer-...ration-for-real-madrid-but-focused-on-chelsea

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Hazard-admires-Real-Madrid-happy-Chelsea.html
     
  23. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Even without James we are still unclear if he will eventually become Bale or Ronaldo replacement in the coming years or if we would go for a new star forward/winger. Knowing Flo the second is the most likely scenario.
     
  24. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    It's been less than a half season. It's too early to make this judgement. The important thing is getting him consistent playing time at this point.
     
  25. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    If Bale left and James stayed (as it should have been done), then he wouldn't have been a luxury.
     

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