The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The 90 minute rule was scrapped as part of the EPPP.

    I believe the rule (which as I noted above, no longer exists) referred specifically to travel by road. I mean, it takes 45 minutes to get from Norwich to Edinburgh by plane, so the rule would have been pointless if it included air travel.

    You're forgetting FIFA Training Compensation and Solidarity Payments. The latter grants any club involved in training a player, a percentage of any transfer fee(s) paid for them prior to the end of the season in which they turm 23. The percentage is based on years spent training with the club.

    So to use Memphis Depay as an example, vv Moordrecht and Sparta Rotterdam received a cut of the £25m fee that Man United paid PSV, while those two and PSV received a cut of the £17m United received from Lyon.
     
  2. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It works differently than you think in MLS. They're not exclusive zones -- MLS clubs' territories overlap in a bunch of places, and they do in fact recruit from other teams' territories. The designated territories are just the territories from which a MLS academy can recruit without limitation. Each club can recruit a limited number of academy players from outside its territory, and when I looked a couple years ago I saw Portland had three or four academy players who were from other MLS clubs' territories.
     
  3. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Same here.
     
    Chesco United and HailtotheKing repped this.
  4. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I hope Precourt sells his rights, rather than move the Crew.
     
    bigredfutbol repped this.
  5. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure if this is totally related but RSL tried to set up a USL team and an academy here in the San Diego area a couple of years ago.
     
  6. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 16, 1999
    Frontier
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Check what someone took the time to do. I'm cool with it.
    https://ibb.co/ctJn7w

    [​IMG]

    It's not that it CAN'T happen, but rather are people willing to step out of fear and do the damn thing?
     
  7. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Got money to buy-out the Canadian teams? No?

    I need to make a graph of 40 D1 teams, subdivided by region and the playoff bracket. No useless and out-dated system of kicking teams out of a league for not having the wherewithal to predict that they’ll get bit by the injury bug and finish last through no real fault other than dumb luck
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You really think that SF Deltas replacing LA Galaxy for next season would be good for the game? The lower divisions aren't there yet.
    And **** the Cosmos!!!!
     
    barroldinho repped this.
  9. This is your favourite mantra, but give us an example of such a club, that was so well managed and without a doubt would have stayed up, but because of unfortunate injuries got relegated.
    Give you a hint...try it with the clubs that suffered airplane etc. accidents like Torino and Manchester United.
    Did they relegate?
     
  10. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
  11. It would be more credible if Sunderland in other years were a solid stay up team. But they simply are a bottom struggling team.
    But how about those air crash teams? More injured than dead players you cannot get. Did they relegate? These were teams fighting for the title. How did they fare?
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Notts County were badly affected by injuries in our 1983/84 relegation season. We lost our number ten due to an injury sustained against Manchester United and couldn't afford to replace him.
     
  13. Was it only the injuries?
     
  14. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    I think having an entire team killed in an accident is a little different and any Cartel, sorry, FA, relegating those teams have absolutely no heart. But, those things thankfully don't happen very often. A team getting bitten by the injury bug happens all the time. Unless you take away the parity measures, an injury can be devastating to a team's chances of being competitive.
     
  15. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Clearly we need to decide who wins the Championship by some other means than results of actual games. After all, they may just be "lucky with injuries".
     
    owian repped this.
  16. Yup, Feyenoord in this season's 13 matches has seen its complete defense wiped out by injuries almost the whole season, just last weekend one was added with a collar bone fracture, so much we had to put in midfielders to replace the injured players. On top of that also our topscorer was out and just the last two weeks made real minutes. So it affected our season so much I assume we can forget the title as the number of points we're behind asks for a total collapse of both PSV and Ajax. But we still are far away from being relegated. Injuries can tip the scale, but only with clubs that are already in the danger zone.
     
  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Parity measures make this very different in the US. In Europe, the financial disparities between clubs are so great that a mid-table club that suffers injuries still tends to have reserves who are better than the starters in the relegation zone.

    Not so true when there are parity measures and the talent is spread almost evenly around the league. In MLS, almost every season since I started tracking lineups (2010 to present), the team with the most player-games lost to injury has never made the playoffs and has usually finished in the bottom three; and the bottom team has almost always been one of the three most injury-depleted in the league that season.
     
  18. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Which is part of my point. You have a system that benefits the rich and the teams that can just barely hold on to their status at a certain level are teetering on the edge. They can hope for, at best, to finish mid table but one or two injuries can mean the difference between staying up or going down. It has nothing to do with merit, sportsmanship or anything like that. So now, a team that barely has the financial wherewithal to stay up gets kicked out of the league because of pure bad lick and now is saddled with a big financial hit.

    Good thing we're not going to have to worry about that. We run our sports leagues much better.
     
  19. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What parity rules do is expand the danger zone to essentially the entire league.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    League record

    Manchester United pre Munich
    W15 D6 L7

    Manchester United post Munich
    W1 D6 L7
     
  21. Nope, all teams get injuries. It's not so that from the teams that are competing to stay up the ones with injuries go down. The ones managed worst go down, despite injuries at the other competitors for the stay up places.
    It's your sole argument against Pro/Rel and it doesnot hold.

    It's quite funny, but I never have read a comment in all the years I watch football in my leagues from a team that relegated, that it was the result of injuries.
    Never.
    If it was such a big issue I woud have heared it in the decades I follow football in a Pro/Rel environment.
    The only place I encountered it was here, in this thread frm people that have nothing to do with Pro/Rel ever.
    If it was such a big issue as you, ousiders make it, it surely would have been put on the table by club management in defense of themselves for relegating.
    Strange....but maybe it isnot really an issue.
     
  22. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    So what you are saying is that a "parity league" that decides its champion through playoffs is the worst possible system in terms of the impact of injuries.
     
  23. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Typically injuries balance out over the course of a season, just as crap refereeing decisions do. Of course, if you attach more importance to some games over others, e.g. the playoff system, then that's much less likely to be the case.
     
  24. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    As much as I'd love to see my childhood home of Athens, Ga., on a pyramid like this, why are we reinventing the wheel? Why do elite amateur leagues that have been playing (with pro/rel, incidentally) for 100 years need to shut down and merge into this thing?

    I do need to plug in team names on my plan to make it a little zippier, though.

    https://rantingsoccerdad.com/2017/11/10/a-synthesized-promotion-relegation-system/
     
    When Saturday Comes repped this.
  25. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is this a bad thing? In the long run, the best-run teams still win the most championships. Injuries even out over the years, as long as you're not kicking teams out of the league for getting unlucky in one particular year. Money doesn't, especially not in a rich-get-richer system.
     
    When Saturday Comes repped this.

Share This Page