Racism...Forever?

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Guess you're just...

     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    This writer compares Trumpism to the near win of David Duke in Louisiana's senate race in 1990. Articles about "economic anger" among Whitelandians were common back then too. The media alwsys finds another reason other than good ol' Merican racism to describe such elections.

    Nearly thirty years ago, nearly half of Louisiana voted for a Klansman, and the media struggled to explain why.

    It was 1990 and David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, astonished political observers when he came within striking distance of defeating incumbent Democratic U.S. Senator J. Bennett Johnston, earning 43 percent of the vote. If Johnston’s Republican rival hadn’t dropped out of the race and endorsed him at the last minute, the outcome might have been different.

    Was it economic anxiety? The Washington Post reported that the state had “a large working class that has suffered through a long recession.” Was it a blow against the state’s hated political establishment? An editorial from United Press International explained, “Louisianans showed the nation by voting for Duke that they were mad as hell and not going to take it any more.” Was it anti-Washington rage? A Loyola University pollster argued, “There were the voters who liked Duke, those who hated J. Bennett Johnston, and those who just wanted to send a message to Washington.”

    And at its heart, it's Whitelandia's payback to uppity Ns (he looves to attack Obama and now black athletes) and women:

    There is virtually no personality defect that conservatives accused Obama of possessing that Trump himself does not actually possess. This, not some uncanny oracular talent, is the reason that Trump’s years-old tweets channeling conservative anger at Obama apply so perfectly to his own present conduct.

    Trump’s great political insight was that Obama’s time in office inflicted a profound psychological wound on many white Americans, one that he could remedy by adopting the false narrative that placed the first black president outside the bounds of American citizenship. He intuited that Obama’s presence in the White House decreased the value of what W. E. B. Du Bois described as the “psychological wage” of whiteness across all classes of white Americans, and that the path to their hearts lay in invoking a bygone past when this affront had not, and could not, take place.

    That the legacy of the first black president could be erased by a birther, that the woman who could have been the first female president was foiled by a man who confessed to sexual assault on tape—these were not drawbacks to Trump’s candidacy, but central to understanding how he would wield power, and on whose behalf.

    Americans act with the understanding that Trump’s nationalism promises to restore traditional boundaries of race, gender, and sexuality. The nature of that same nationalism is to deny its essence, the better to salve the conscience and spare the soul.


    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion
     
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    Guess so. Despite not being white.
     
  4. InTheSun

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    I was just reading that this morning. Here's a better link - the one cited is dead. Very interesting piece byAdam Serwer.
     
  5. charlie15

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    The piece is simply brilliant. Must read....

    Trumpism emerged from a haze of delusion, denial, pride, and cruelty—not as a historical anomaly, but as a profoundly American phenomenon. This explains both how tens of millions of white Americans could pull the lever for a candidate running on a racist platform and justify doing so, and why a predominantly white political class would search so desperately for an alternative explanation for what it had just seen. To acknowledge the centrality of racial inequality to American democracy is to question its legitimacy—so it must be denied.
     
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    Pics or it didn't happen
     
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    Yup
     
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    IIRC, you've said that before. I don't believe you.
     
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    In betting Asian.
     
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  11. JC-14

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    I've said it several times. Also on the last page. You guys just don't read.

    Also don't care if you believe me. Says more about you than me.
     
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  13. JC-14

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    Right back at ya.
     
  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    More of a state of mind
     
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    Or Clayton Bigsby.
     
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    Who has economic power in South Africa?

    You know, but that is easy to dismiss.

    Nope. And we covered that for several pages when it happened.

    And if you are not White, what is your background such that you have your views?
     
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    You sure? You sure you didn't look like Chris Rock? We're not talking about this kinda thing, are we???

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    Do you suppose he means southern Africa, (Zimbabwe, maybe?), rather than south Africa, the country?

    I know that white farmers and activists in the MDC got caught up with the violence between them and Zanu-PF several years back and some were targeted because they were white.

    Other than that, though, you're talking more about isolated incidents... not that that makes it OK, obviously.
     
  21. Dominican Lou

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    Nope.

    They're hate crimes (not 100% sure about the Chicago one) and individual acts of criminal racial discrimination, but they're not racism.

    Racism is a system of racial domination based on white supremacy. Since there has never been a system of domination where whites are subjugated by blacks (or by anyone really), they can't be victims of racism.

    Some people get too hung up on racism and are just dying to play the "it goes the other way too!" game. Same with sexism and heteronormativity as well.

    Unfortunately for them, systems of domination/oppression do NOT go both ways.
     
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  22. Bootsy Collins

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    That is a definition of racism. It is not the definition of racism.

    Merriam-Webster cites as its first definition the one that most people are most used to:

    racism
    noun rac·ism \ ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- \
    Definition of racism
    1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
     
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  23. JC-14

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    The definition of racism has nothing to do with economic power.

    Why do you think my values of equality and humanism are "white"? I'm mixed race.
     
  24. JC-14

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    #3899 JC-14, Nov 23, 2017
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    According to which dictionary?

    Racism will never end if you don't stop identity politics.

     
  25. JC-14

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    Not racism according to some :rolleyes:
     

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