I see several posts on here about a fake or artificial MLS deadline. It won't seem so fake when those 4 slots are taken by other, better planned investors and cities.
Yeah watching this debate locally has been really frustrating. I'll talk to people about it and they will just repeat completely false talking points, to the point that I can name the Ziegler article where they began. Up to and including, MLS is a pyramid scheme that's on the verge of collapse, the stadium will require public money, the land is being sold on the cheap, and the one you repeated that the MLS deadline is artificial. I am not trying to say Soccer City is perfect, I think the original stadium concept is too small, and would like to know more about traffic mitigation, but let's have an honest debate here. But hey it's the US in 2017 honest debates don't happen anymore, just better to yell at each other on twitter.
The San Diego plan is actually pretty decent. The timing as to when it can be decided on is the only thing hampering the bid at the moment. I take your point though. If other cities can seal their deals before San Diego then we are done.
I really hope this SDSU plan loses out to soccercity and that FSI are true to their word and still provide the university what it needs. There is so much overlap in what both parties are saying and SDSU is clearly so far behind in their process. Wish they would use their time/money more efficiently.
I am not sure how people can say that they want SDSU West to lose and that they will provide SDSU with the same structures and buildings. SDSU West would provide a stadium that can be used for soccer but more importantly it will provide SDSU with the land it needs to become a research power just like UCSD. If you live in the city that is what we want because it will bring more jobs into the area. The FSI plan will only provide a stadium for SDSU football to play in and will build way too many houses and offices for the area. Yes SDSU West will also build housing but those people living there will be local trips within the SDSU west area or trolley rides to SDSU main campus so its different impact to infrastructure.
Haha first of all, there's nothing more than soccer. -___- Seriously though, the amount of acreage that FSI has set aside for SDSU is in line with the acreage that they would retain for themselves to build the facilities they need for their research. This conflict isn't really about the future of San Diego State's research ambitions. It's about who is collecting rent on the premises. Investing in higher education is a compelling reason to support the SDSU expansion plan, but I'd like to see some actual sepcs on what sort of research they will be conducting on site. I'm also curious as to when their campus expansion would actually happen. From what I've heard they don't plan on actually expanding for another 20+ years. Think about the technology that will be available in 5 years much less 25. Will they even need classrooms by then?
One interesting side note from that NBC article, SDSU has partnered with JMI. JMI is owned by John Moores.
My understanding is that they want to maintain the momentum they have achieved since becoming a nationally recognized research institution. At the moment they only offer 17 phd's and they'd like to increase that number.
That's certainly fair. I've got to ask what constitutes "national recognition" as a research university and also how annexing the MV site specifically enables them to offer more phd's. As far as the John Moores thing goes, there's no surprise there. Moores has been behind the entire SDSU West plan from the getgo. There was an event at SDSU that I went to in April of 2016 when they first rolled out the concept that his people put together. I don't think Moores has any pull when it comes to MLS, but I do think that if SDSU West passes then you'll see this 1904 team move into their new Mission Valley stadium.
Why? The 1904 team is an NASL side. Either MV stadium will be 3-6x larger than what they need. That and they’re reportedly building their own appropriately sized stadium in Oceanside that will open next summer.
No offense, but it’s probably gas . It makes little sense for an NASL team to abandon a stadium they’d have already recently and control themselves to rent a stadium 25,000 seats larger than any crowds they’d bring in. Even if the MLS team never materializes.
You’re assuming that they would control their stadium in Oceanside... Anywho. Pure speculation on my part. Ultimately the wait and see method will have to suffice.
Looks like the 1904 FC will control their own stadium http://www.10news.com/sports/1904-football-club-announces-oceanside-stadium-plan
http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/lookup/view_institution.php?unit_id=122409 We are designated by Carnegie Melon as a Higher Research Institute. As for how annexing the MV site would facilitate more research and offering more PhD's that simple. They currently do not have the space to add more research buildings AND have the space to house the staff (need more Grad housing and I don't believe they have any doctorate housing at the moment). Like I said before, I heard a rumor that Moores just sold the rights to FSI for a few years and not forever so he very well could be in play after 2019.
How many other institutions across the country hold that same designation from Carnegie Melon? And as far as the Moores thing goes... It's hard for me to give credence to rumors, even when they come from someone as well-versed as you are. I certainly don't know everything, but I'm just not buying this Moores/MLS thing without something more than "I heard a rumor" ya know?
107 out of something like 3000 4 year institutions As for the Moores rumor, thats cool...but I just need to throw it out there cause I think it has legs.
107/3,000 is respectable. I'll concede that point with humilty. Like I said time will tell on the Moores thing. But I did just come across this video on twitter from Fred Pierce, who is one of the SDSU friends pushing the other proposal: http://www.sddt.com/files/media/view.cfm?media=BUGO99NZ&_t=Interview+with+Fred+Pierce
comparsion between SoccerCity and SDSU "Project" with a couple of graphics and lots of text 931576612847357952 is not a valid tweet id 931576870000246784 is not a valid tweet id For the locals, what's the talk currently, any favorite?
Locally seems very divided. Some see SDSU as just asking for a handout, and some see Soccer City as charlatans.
Yea its kind of at an impasse right now. More info for the SDSU West plan will be released on Dec. 20. Also, the release of that letter corresponds to the release of the 10th annual SDSU economic impact report. 5.67 Billion is what their economic impact is. Hard to counter that with we bring 300 million to the table.... http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=77021