its utter bullshit that Bolivia seems to get a free pass from blatantly cheating...All I really wanted was that their points be stripped...even if that meant Peru and Chile did not get points themselves (which obviously means we wouldnt have gone to playoff). But Bolivia deserved nothing from those games
Uruguay solo perdió un partido de local (contra Brasil) y empató contra Argentina. Ganó el resto de partidos de local
you can just browse this forum to see that people around the world wrongly put Perú at the same level with Venezuela and Bolivia as the 3 shitty southamerican teams. Of course they want Perú, and that can be an advantage because that can make NZ a little more bold in the games, and Perú can seize that in their favor. Anyhow, it's going to be an easy win for Perú unless sometghing very unusual happens like an early red card or refereeing mistakes.
Well Peru is really not miles ahead of Bolivia and Venezuela, especially Venezuela whose position in the table isn’t any indication to their quality. Truth is Peru was horrible in the first round of qualifying and until the last 5 or 6 games were practically out until going on a decent run of form. Let’s not forget that if they didn’t get the points they lost against Bolivia (and let’s not lie to ourselves that ineligible player Bolivia played didn’t make much difference. They would of been eliminated. Nothing against Peru or anything, I want them to qualify, but on paper their team really isn’t that great. So let’s not pretend they’re a world class side either
playing two teams like Argentina and Colombia prior to a playoff is great preparation for the team NZ last two opponents would have been Solomon Islands and Japan (friendly)
Peru could not get results in the first 6 rounds for sure they started getting their act together after Copa 2016...so much so that in the second round of games (games 10 to 18) they got the most points after Brazil First Round - Games 1-9 Uruguay - 19 puntos Brazil - 18 puntos Argentina - 16 puntos Colombia - 16 puntos Ecuador - 16 puntos Paraguay - 12 puntos Chile - 11 puntos (13 thanks toTAS) Peru - 8 puntos (11 thanks to TAS) Bolivia - 7 puntos (3 thanks to TAS) Venezuela - 2 puntos Second round - Games 10-18 Brazil - 23 puntos - 6 wins Peru - 15 puntos - 4 wins Chile - 13 puntos - 4 victorias Uruguay - 12 puntos - 3 wins Argentina - 12 puntos - 3 wins Paraguay - 12 puntos - 4 wins Bolivia - 11 puntos - 3 wins Colombia - 11 puntos - 2 wins Venezuela - 10 puntos - 2 wins Ecuador - 4 puntos - 1 win The TAS situation obviously helped but the team also got 12 points out of the last 18 winning 3 games (1 away from Lima) and drawing 3 games (2 away from Lima))
Not taking anything away from them, they hit form at the right time (while some others hit a slump) and deserve that 5th place. But I think a few people I’m seeing are getting a bit carried away. Anyway they play good football so they’ll be good to watch in the World Cup. NZ can be a stubborn opponent but they shouldn’t have any problems beating them
you are also wrong of thinking colombia , chile , uruguay are miles away from venezuela and bolivia last I checked venezuela tied uruguay , argentina and beat paraguay Bolivia tied brazil , beat chile and also beat argentina Peru may have been horrible the first quarter, but you forgot to mentioned that in the last 3 copa america peru reached the semi final twice and lost against colombia in penalty shoot outs last year , otherwise they would've made it 3 times in a row to the semifinals. You could even argue Peru could've made it to the finals in chile where they deserved a bit more . Aside from brazil ( the one in the past year) and argentina ( they still dominate their games but can not scored) , all the remaining teams in conmebol are not that far apart. Venezuela and bolivia are more than capable of taking points from anyone in the qualifying The distances are getting shorter and shorter, and this last qualifying was a clear example of that. As of right now , brazil is the only team that can be said to be far apart. Argentina can get there no problem with the quality of players they have. The remaining teams are around the same level with bolivia and venezuela just a step lower
How can I be wrong when I never said any of those countries were miles ahead? lol you're imagining things
Your post made it sound like that. Then i guess for you aside from brazil and argentina there are not world class teams in conmebol. Either that or your original post contradicts what you are telling me now. Pick one
Apparently Mauricio Soria tried to call up Ruben Aguilar from Montpelier because Football Manager said he was Bolivian. He got the call and then told them his father was born in Santa Cruz de Tenerife, not Santa Cruz de la Sierra
LOL Stories like that one and how Paraguay sent hookers to the hotel where Venezuela was staying to try to seduce them is the sort of thing that makes me love South American soccer. Everything goes.
Was it a question of ethics on the venezuelan side or perhaps the girls just weren't that cute? I mean... ...they already were eliminated, its not as if they had sth to play for.
Actually Venezualan women are very pretty (the ones I knew at least were)... I do not know about Paraguay, though, but I think this trick may have not worked on Venezuela team.
"Desde Bolivia, Perú y Paraguay, principalmente, celebran la eliminación del Equipo de Todos." Yo creo que más celebran en Argentina y Uruguay, los primeros por las dos copas en la cara y el tema del TAS (y súmale los temas histórico-políticos que lamentablemente se mezclan), los segundos nos odian desde el dedo de Jara. A mi me da pena todo esto, pero estos jugadores no son muy inteligentes fuera de la cancha y se refleja en este tipo de cosas. Muchos hinchas también son una vergüenza pero eso es en todos lados. Ahora Chile no va a reclamar por el tema Perú-Colombia, así que algo aprendimos jaja.
ni tanto, algo de cierto tiene Los peruanos y argentinos desde hace anos tienen una rivalidad contra chile y eso n o es un secreto. Esto viene desde la guerra de las malvinas donde chile fue catalogado como un traidor. Uruguay con lo que paso con cavani y jara tmb le agarraron colera a chile.Es mas hay un video q salio donde anunciaban a los clasificados de la conmebol en el partido uruguay vs bolivia y se escuchaba como los hinchas uruguayos celebraban la clasificacion de peru y la eliminacion de chile Bolivia con el asunto de la salida al mar y con los comentarios de vidal , encima con los puntos del tas ( donde por alguna razon a peru no culpan) tmb les tienen colera a los chilenos los paraguayos aparentemente tmb , esto si puede ser una exageracion Lo de los brazileros si es algo nuevo , creo que medel le metio a la madre a neymar. Pero es raro que le metan 3 goles a los chilenos y lo celebren a todo dar Pero de por si , argentina , peru , uruguay y bolivia si tienen rivalidad con chile. Los demas creo que no tanto pero tampoco es que chile sea santo de su devocion A mi parecer Vidal es uno de los grandes culpable de esto con sus declaraciones.
Periodismo deportivo Chileno de medio pelo. Todos dándoles ahora que están abajo es re-fácil. Patéticos. No es su culpa que no haya salido una generación nueva para reemplazarlos. Aguantaron hasta donde pudieron y casi la hacen de nuevo... no salió y ya esta. Yo sigo agradecido de todos esos jugadores en las buenas y en las malas mas aun.
No eres el único que piensa así. Muchos en Chile, tanto entre los fanáticos como dentro del mismo plantel chileno, ya estaban hasta las pelotas con las manifestaciones de Vidal al respecto. Pero, es el "rey" Arturo..... Lo único que lo salvaba (y es la razón por la que casi todo técnico que ha tenido tanto a nivel de clubes como de selección, le soportan casi todo, menos Bielsa, que hasta hoy es el único técnico que no dudo en apartarlo del equipo y solo lo volvió a llamar, cuando Vidal mejoró su actitud, es decir volvió "mudo" y obediente), era que dentro del campo de juego, es una bestia de jugador, donde nadie en el mundo se le compara (Vidal, es único, en su tipo).
Es lo menos que pudimos hacer, al fin y al cabo Ud's nos mantuvieron vivos mas de lo que merecíamos con los 6 puntos que nos dieron en Santiago y Lima.