Eliminatorias a RUSIA 2018

Discussion in 'CONMEBOL' started by Gerlestat, Oct 5, 2015.

  1. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    its utter bullshit that Bolivia seems to get a free pass from blatantly cheating...All I really wanted was that their points be stripped...even if that meant Peru and Chile did not get points themselves (which obviously means we wouldnt have gone to playoff). But Bolivia deserved nothing from those games
     
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  2. Daninho777

    Daninho777 Member

    Sep 23, 2009
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Uruguay solo perdió un partido de local (contra Brasil) y empató contra Argentina. Ganó el resto de partidos de local
     
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  3. maxsanta

    maxsanta Member

    Colo Colo
    Netherlands
    Dec 2, 2009
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    you can just browse this forum to see that people around the world wrongly put Perú at the same level with Venezuela and Bolivia as the 3 shitty southamerican teams. Of course they want Perú, and that can be an advantage because that can make NZ a little more bold in the games, and Perú can seize that in their favor.

    Anyhow, it's going to be an easy win for Perú unless sometghing very unusual happens like an early red card or refereeing mistakes.
     
  4. Daninho777

    Daninho777 Member

    Sep 23, 2009
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Well Peru is really not miles ahead of Bolivia and Venezuela, especially Venezuela whose position in the table isn’t any indication to their quality. Truth is Peru was horrible in the first round of qualifying and until the last 5 or 6 games were practically out until going on a decent run of form. Let’s not forget that if they didn’t get the points they lost against Bolivia (and let’s not lie to ourselves that ineligible player Bolivia played didn’t make much difference. They would of been eliminated. Nothing against Peru or anything, I want them to qualify, but on paper their team really isn’t that great. So let’s not pretend they’re a world class side either
     
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  5. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    playing two teams like Argentina and Colombia prior to a playoff is great preparation for the team

    NZ last two opponents would have been Solomon Islands and Japan (friendly)
     
  6. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    Peru could not get results in the first 6 rounds for sure

    they started getting their act together after Copa 2016...so much so that in the second round of games (games 10 to 18) they got the most points after Brazil

    First Round - Games 1-9

    Uruguay - 19 puntos
    Brazil - 18 puntos
    Argentina - 16 puntos
    Colombia - 16 puntos
    Ecuador - 16 puntos
    Paraguay - 12 puntos
    Chile - 11 puntos (13 thanks toTAS)
    Peru - 8 puntos (11 thanks to TAS)
    Bolivia - 7 puntos (3 thanks to TAS)
    Venezuela - 2 puntos

    Second round - Games 10-18

    Brazil - 23 puntos - 6 wins
    Peru - 15 puntos - 4 wins
    Chile - 13 puntos - 4 victorias
    Uruguay - 12 puntos - 3 wins
    Argentina - 12 puntos - 3 wins
    Paraguay - 12 puntos - 4 wins
    Bolivia - 11 puntos - 3 wins
    Colombia - 11 puntos - 2 wins
    Venezuela - 10 puntos - 2 wins
    Ecuador - 4 puntos - 1 win

    The TAS situation obviously helped but the team also got 12 points out of the last 18 winning 3 games (1 away from Lima) and drawing 3 games (2 away from Lima))
     
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  7. Daninho777

    Daninho777 Member

    Sep 23, 2009
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Not taking anything away from them, they hit form at the right time (while some others hit a slump) and deserve that 5th place. But I think a few people I’m seeing are getting a bit carried away. Anyway they play good football so they’ll be good to watch in the World Cup. NZ can be a stubborn opponent but they shouldn’t have any problems beating them
     
  8. rick100

    rick100 Member+

    Jun 4, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    you are also wrong of thinking colombia , chile , uruguay are miles away from venezuela and bolivia

    last I checked venezuela tied uruguay , argentina and beat paraguay

    Bolivia tied brazil , beat chile and also beat argentina

    Peru may have been horrible the first quarter, but you forgot to mentioned that in the last 3 copa america peru reached the semi final twice and lost against colombia in penalty shoot outs last year , otherwise they would've made it 3 times in a row to the semifinals. You could even argue Peru could've made it to the finals in chile where they deserved a bit more .

    Aside from brazil ( the one in the past year) and argentina ( they still dominate their games but can not scored) , all the remaining teams in conmebol are not that far apart. Venezuela and bolivia are more than capable of taking points from anyone in the qualifying

    The distances are getting shorter and shorter, and this last qualifying was a clear example of that.

    As of right now , brazil is the only team that can be said to be far apart. Argentina can get there no problem with the quality of players they have. The remaining teams are around the same level with bolivia and venezuela just a step lower
     
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  9. Daninho777

    Daninho777 Member

    Sep 23, 2009
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    How can I be wrong when I never said any of those countries were miles ahead? lol you're imagining things
     
  10. rick100

    rick100 Member+

    Jun 4, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Your post made it sound like that.

    Then i guess for you aside from brazil and argentina there are not world class teams in conmebol. Either that or your original post contradicts what you are telling me now. Pick one
     
  11. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Apparently Mauricio Soria tried to call up Ruben Aguilar from Montpelier because Football Manager said he was Bolivian.

    He got the call and then told them his father was born in Santa Cruz de Tenerife, not Santa Cruz de la Sierra :ROFLMAO:
     
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  12. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    LOL

    Stories like that one and how Paraguay sent hookers to the hotel where Venezuela was staying to try to seduce them is the sort of thing that makes me love South American soccer.

    Everything goes.
     
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  13. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Was it a question of ethics on the venezuelan side or perhaps the girls just weren't that cute?


    I mean...


    ...they already were eliminated, its not as if they had sth to play for. :ninja:
     
  14. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Venian con sorpresas "las" paraguayas
     
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  15. Skandal!!!

    Skandal!!! Member

    Legia Warszawa
    Poland
    Apr 26, 2017
    Actually Venezualan women are very pretty (the ones I knew at least were)... I do not know about Paraguay, though, but I think this trick may have not worked on Venezuela team.
     
  16. maxsanta

    maxsanta Member

    Colo Colo
    Netherlands
    Dec 2, 2009
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile

    "Desde Bolivia, Perú y Paraguay, principalmente, celebran la eliminación del Equipo de Todos." Yo creo que más celebran en Argentina y Uruguay, los primeros por las dos copas en la cara y el tema del TAS (y súmale los temas histórico-políticos que lamentablemente se mezclan), los segundos nos odian desde el dedo de Jara.

    A mi me da pena todo esto, pero estos jugadores no son muy inteligentes fuera de la cancha y se refleja en este tipo de cosas. Muchos hinchas también son una vergüenza pero eso es en todos lados.

    Ahora Chile no va a reclamar por el tema Perú-Colombia, así que algo aprendimos jaja.
     
  17. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Nota mas amarillista
     
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  18. rick100

    rick100 Member+

    Jun 4, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru

    ni tanto, algo de cierto tiene

    Los peruanos y argentinos desde hace anos tienen una rivalidad contra chile y eso n o es un secreto. Esto viene desde la guerra de las malvinas donde chile fue catalogado como un traidor.
    Uruguay con lo que paso con cavani y jara tmb le agarraron colera a chile.Es mas hay un video q salio donde anunciaban a los clasificados de la conmebol en el partido uruguay vs bolivia y se escuchaba como los hinchas uruguayos celebraban la clasificacion de peru y la eliminacion de chile
    Bolivia con el asunto de la salida al mar y con los comentarios de vidal , encima con los puntos del tas ( donde por alguna razon a peru no culpan) tmb les tienen colera a los chilenos
    los paraguayos aparentemente tmb , esto si puede ser una exageracion
    Lo de los brazileros si es algo nuevo , creo que medel le metio a la madre a neymar. Pero es raro que le metan 3 goles a los chilenos y lo celebren a todo dar

    Pero de por si , argentina , peru , uruguay y bolivia si tienen rivalidad con chile. Los demas creo que no tanto pero tampoco es que chile sea santo de su devocion

    A mi parecer Vidal es uno de los grandes culpable de esto con sus declaraciones.
     
  19. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Periodismo deportivo Chileno de medio pelo. Todos dándoles ahora que están abajo es re-fácil. Patéticos. No es su culpa que no haya salido una generación nueva para reemplazarlos. Aguantaron hasta donde pudieron y casi la hacen de nuevo... no salió y ya esta. Yo sigo agradecido de todos esos jugadores en las buenas y en las malas mas aun.
     
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  20. spc3sc

    spc3sc Member+

    Jul 24, 2008
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Yo tambien les estoy muy agradecido a ustedes :D
     
  21. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    No eres el único que piensa así.
    Muchos en Chile, tanto entre los fanáticos como dentro del mismo plantel chileno, ya estaban hasta las pelotas con las manifestaciones de Vidal al respecto. Pero, es el "rey" Arturo.....

    Lo único que lo salvaba (y es la razón por la que casi todo técnico que ha tenido tanto a nivel de clubes como de selección, le soportan casi todo, menos Bielsa, que hasta hoy es el único técnico que no dudo en apartarlo del equipo y solo lo volvió a llamar, cuando Vidal mejoró su actitud, es decir volvió "mudo" y obediente), era que dentro del campo de juego, es una bestia de jugador, donde nadie en el mundo se le compara (Vidal, es único, en su tipo).
     
  22. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    En buen chileno, Vidal es "un saco de huevas"
     
  23. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Es lo menos que pudimos hacer, al fin y al cabo Ud's nos mantuvieron vivos mas de lo que merecíamos con los 6 puntos que nos dieron en Santiago y Lima. :D
     

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