Eliminatorias a RUSIA 2018

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  1. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Esto cada vez es mas infartante. Y habra que sufrir hasta el final. CHile perdio a Vidal y Silva para el partido del martes en Brasil, dos bajas sensibles.
    Dos cosas para el martes: COn la supuesta rivalidad de Brasil vs Argentina, sera que aflojan y se dejan empatar o perder ?
    Y segundo. Ahora que Peru esta cerca de volver a un mundial. Me gustaria si los hinchas peruanos van a recibir a la seleccion colombia, de la misma manera que reciben a la seleccion chilena y a los hinchas chilenos en lima?
     
  2. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Si bien Paraguay puede ganar de local, pero Venezuela juega sin presion ya. Acuerdate que a Colombia y a Uruguay estuvieron cerca de ganarle, y estuvieron cerca de ganarle a Argentina en Bueno Aires.
     
  3. locotl

    locotl Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    florida
    La calculadora esta que quema esta ultima fecha
     
  4. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ospina messed up big, but he was bumped by his own defender in the 1st goal. WTF was that guy thinking ?
     
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  5. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    Argentina's shooting was off against Peru. Having said that, Quiroz played the game of his life.

    I'd say that Argentina has a decent chance of winning in Quito. Eight or nine rounds ago, it'd have been a different story. Ecuador could very well be mentally broken, which I don't think applies to Argentina.

    It's a different case altogether for Chile. Pizzi's team is not in good form, and is coming up against the in-form team in the world.

    I think the game of the round will be Peru vs. Colombia. I don't know who the favourite is going into this one.
     
  6. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    After wins against Chile and Colombia, I imagine that Paraguayans would deem it unforgivable if their team can't defeat Venezuela.
     
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  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    This is a succint and accurate analysis of the standings.

    I really want Venezuela's federation to develop these players. They could have won in Argentina and held off Uruguay. To consider that Brazil has not always done this in the same WCQ brings perspective to this Venezuelan team. I still predict Paraguay to win, but it won't be an easy win.

    All speculations and jokes asides, Brazil isn't going to do anything to help anybody. Brazil has no rivalry with Chile but we sure have no special affinity for them either, and we will want to finish this campaign with a win, the more because we drew our last matches and because our players owe that to the home fans.

    As for Argentina - if Ecuador and not Peru and Colombia were fighting for a spot, it'd be even worse. Ecuador has nothing to play for except pride. But Ecuador also has altitude and in home games vs. Argentina in WCQ, Ecuador's last results are 1-1, 2-0, and 2-0. As such, I expect Argentina to go kamikaze from the opening whistle even more than last night. If Ecuador holds, followed by 0-0 at halftime, Argentina is likely to panic. All bets are off then.
     
  8. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    I don't know who's with me but I actually do believe Ecuador have something to play for. Imagine being able to say "we left Argentina out of a world cup". Ecuador will go for that I feel.
     
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  9. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I expect Ecuador to give there all at least for there fans.
     
  10. maxsanta

    maxsanta Member

    Colo Colo
    Netherlands
    Dec 2, 2009
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Weird situation for Paraguay, Argentina, Chile. If each of them gets the result they need (win, win, tie) they're almost surely in (unless all these happen at the same time, Paraguay would be out), but if they don't get the result they're almost surely out.
     
  11. locotl

    locotl Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    florida
    Except that the Colombia - Peru game decides not only for themselves for also other teams.
    Peru has back to back "game of the round"
    Circa WCQ '94 last round..... Colombia vs Argentina 5-0 ....they were out, but at the same time Peru was playing Paraguay in Lima, a horrendous Peru team that had lost something like 12 games in a row. Somehow Peru saves a tie 2-2 and Paraguay is out of the WC. Argentina goes on to play Australia for the last spot of the WC.
    Let's see if Paraguay doesn't choke again.
     
  12. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Insane stuff this qualifier. All of Peru, Colombia, Argentina and Chile need to win to make it regardless of other results. Paraguay needs to win and hope that Argentina does not win.
     
  13. jagum

    jagum Member

    CF Montreal
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Que locura ! y pensar que Argentina puede quedar fuera por culpa de Venezuela.. Esos dos empates en Mérida y Buenos Aires les pesan como nunca.
     
  14. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Núñez
    10/8/2015, vs. Ecuador: 0-2
    11/13/2015, vs. Brazil: 1-1
    9/5/2017, vs. Venezuela: 1-1

    Kempes:
    10/11/2016, vs. Paraguay: 0-1

    Boca:
    10/05/2017, vs. Peru: 0-0

    I sincerely write this without any trash-talk or provocation, but as a follow-up to your post from September, it's clear that your team's performance at home in this WCQ has absolutely nothing to do with whatever stadium it plays in. It did achieve victories at Núñez; at Mendoza, it beat Uruguay 1-0; at Kempes, it also defeated Bolivia 2-0; and, at San Juan, it beat Colombia 3-0.

    If your team couldn't secure crucial home points against teams it had otherwise expected to easily defeat, then "fear" really shouldn't even figure as a factor.
     
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  15. calixtoj

    calixtoj Member+

    Oct 30, 2011
    Spring, TX
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    naa, si argentina queda afuera sera por culpa de argentina.
     
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  16. Willito

    Willito Member

    Mar 3, 2008
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Daniel Peredo (Peru's TV play-by-play guy) said it best: In Futbol, there's nothing, absolutely nothing, like the South American Qualifiers.
     
  17. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sometimes you make decisions with the psychological in mind. I don't see a problem with it . Although the fact that this stadium and this opponent have a history (WC 70) makes me question the choice.
     
  18. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Como van a salir frente a Paraguay?
     
  19. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA

    Oh, absolutely; the psychological matters.

    When Luiz Felipe Scolari first led Brazil into a home WCQ match, the venue chosen was Olímpico Monumental - Grêmio's old stadium. Scolari made his name as a manager in the mid-1990s leading Grêmio to national glory, and as a native son of Rio Grande do Sul, he was emotionally, figuratively, "footballistically," and very much psychologically at home.

    He also gambled on Marcelinho Paraíba, who had a few months earlier helped Grêmio win that year's Copa do Brasil.

    Brazil won against Paraguay, with Marcelinho scoring one of the two victory goals, and this was the start of Brazil's recovery which ultimately landed it in Korea/Japan without having to play vs. the Oceania winner.

    The point is, these tactics might work - they just haven't worked in Argentina's case.
     
  20. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The thing is La Bombonera's atmosphere isn't influential for the NT. It's always a different crowd for the Argentine NT (regardless of stadium), so the rivals aren't going to (and didn't) feel the same pressure teams feel when visiting Boca there.

    The fact that we failed to qualify to the 1970 WC when playing there already served as proof, and was further proven last night.

    In reality this was never about the psychological aspect, but a monetary decision. Chiqui Tapia (a hardcore Boca fanatic) and Angelici (Boca's current president) are now in charge of AFA and were the ones who decided to change stadiums - not Sampaoli. Lo and behold, they raked in 2,300,000 dollars last night in ticket sales, and that's not even taking into account the thousands of tickets that they gave to Boca's barra to resell
     
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  21. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    A very possible scenario:

    - Brazil beats Chile: Brazil won't take it easy and Chile are still in questionable form + will be without Vidal.
    - Peru beats Colombia: Peru is on a run of good form and playing at home. Peru's last 7 games are 4W, 2D, 1L ... that loss being to Brazil. Colombia's form is also questionable.
    - Paraguay beats Venezuela: not as easy as it looks with Venezuela getting draws from Colombia, Argentina and Uruguay in the last 3 games and Paraguay seems to be squeaking out results.
    - Argentina beats Ecuador - Argentina clearly having trouble scoring but they are creating decent chances. On the other hand Ecuador has nothing to play for and haven't been unbeatable at home. Argentina could even tie as long as Brazil beats Chile by 2 or more goals.

    Countries going through - Brazil, Uruguay, Peru, Argentina, Paraguay.

    Amazing Peru and Paraguay have come back with a real shot to knock off 2 of Argentina, Chile, Colombia.
     
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  22. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Venezuela also had nothing to play for, yet they left Buenos Aires with a point. Ecuador has just appointed a new manager and there is no way he's gonna go easy on his players, he is starting his new job and already lost an away match to Chile, there is no way Ecuador are gonna roll over for Argentina if he wants to keep his job.

    I can easily see another 1-1 draw here, which as you correctly point out, might be enough anyway if Brazil beat us by more than 1 goal and there is a winner in the Peru v Colombia match. Colombia can win by any margin, Peru has to win with a two goal margin though, so much more unlikely.

    I can't see Colombia winning that match, but I can definitely see them playing for that draw and protecting it with all their life against a desperate Peru...

    ...man, Tuesday is gonna be intense.
     
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  23. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think in Venezuela's case they are playing some young players who want to prove themselves. But good point about Ecuador. Although I'd still say even with a new coach, it comes down to the players themselves. Psychologically they may just not be all there. It really depends on their personalities.
     
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  24. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Which sums up Argentinian problems if you ask me. They keep rotating managers and results stay more or less the same. Ecuador has plenty of young new players in their team as well ready to prove themselves.
     
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