NASL 2017 News Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by Sandon Mibut, Jan 4, 2017.

  1. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Look I follow the Cosmos and consider myself a supporter (I brought a Raul jersey and everything) but I thought that was a little humorous to find out that after 30 mil they decided to quit. I mean they gave everyone that spiel about how they're willing to spend and they'll show everyone how serious they are in challenging MLS in signing players (they made an offer to Jack Harrison before the super draft) but then they fold and leave everyone holding the bag after that very same season.
     
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  2. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking through David Litterer's archive, it seems that a team called Roanoke River Dawgs played in the 1996 USISL Premier League. It seems that the Premier League was amateur and basically a forerunner of the PDL; Roanoke lasted from 1995-1996.

    There was also a team called the Roanoke Wrath that played from 1998-2000 in USL D3.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Wrath
     
  3. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    I'm not sure what you're referring to...

    If you're referring to the groups highlighted in Point 29 of Rocco's filing, for now at least we have to believe what he says because we don't have any contrary proof. I'm sure if this goes to a hearing or trial, then we'll find out because the USSF lawyers will (or at least should) make him produce documentation proving his claim.

    The three groups mentioned in Point 19 we have some independent verification on, at least in Atlanta's case. We also know about New Orleans and Detroit from sources other than the league office. In fact, the league office has been silent on all of these groups, except for claiming the letter of intent from Mrs. Stumpf in New Orleans.

    This is not Bill Peterson's "we have 40 cities that we're talking to" stuff. This is, again, a legal filing. Potential penalties for perjury make people a little more truthful.
     
  4. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
  5. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rocco is making LOI's seem more solid then what they are IMO. You or I could sign a LOI to bring a team to X market and the NASL has zip legal recourse if we decide to not follow through. What he needed were sign contracts and deposits to bolster his case and unfortunately he didn't and the USSF has seen this roller coaster before and decided not to get on this time. I can't say that I blame them.
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Commisso's rant about the media, and how they should try to dig up dirt about the USSF-MLS-SUM relationship basically says it all. I.E. we have no proof. He was basically begging the media to do the work that they are/should be paying their legal team to do....
     
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  7. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wanting others to do the work and reap the rewards... should be the NASL credo. Hell its the Deltas marketing plan in its entirety.
     
  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Bring a friend - and if that friend is a lawyer, all the better?
     
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  9. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    For an adult it was embarrassing.....but boy does it play to kids, the ignorant and conspiracy theorists.
     
  10. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I missed this.

    Sure it could be done unless...

    The people involved think there is intrinsic value to being called NASL. This has been the downfall of the Cosmos of course. I'm sure it means little outside of the nostalgia driven (Commisso) and probably Euros who remember the old NASL/are sold the old NASL dream, but if one of your main drivers believes it than you are stuck. Wasn't the case in 2010. Rocco seems to believe. Problem.

    Also, Fath, and bond penalty payments for exit, clearly saved the league last year.
    When you dissolve the organization your main shareholder gets screwed....unless there are enough assets to make it acceptable/palatable with tax write offs. No TV deals, limited advertising, run of the mill players, no concrete infrastructure. Guess what?

    Can you start a new league and write in, restore a previous owners shares.
    I'm sure there are ways to do it, but you better have the approval, money, commitment, guarantees and will of all the other owners in your new entity. How would you fee if you were Fath?

    Even with "supposed" commitments from new groups there are real obstacles to overcome. As has been pointed out a LOI is a piece of toilet paper without the money to back it up. Pretty obvious that the money part is missing right now.

    Back in 2010 there was some optimism/momentum for a D2 league attracting decent investors in this new soccer world. How about now? Especially with USL as an option.

    Sure it can be done, but how many folks really want to do it, are really committed do doing it, are willing to put their money on the line to do it?

    Rocco's rant answers those questions better than anyone right now.
     
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  11. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    The whole reason why a few NASL teams haven't ran to USL is due to obligations and monetary restrictions that are imposed by NASL. Fold the league, and some of those teams might double-cross NASL and run to USL instead.
     
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  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't that anti-competition??? I thought all NASL Clubs were INDEPENDENT, and free to be run however they want to be run, and play whereever they want. I thought the whole reason to be an INDEPENDENT CLUB was so that you aren't beholden to a league?!?!?!?!?!

    This is all soooo very confusing!

    S/
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some background.
     
  14. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    You should get your sarcasm detector serviced.
     
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  15. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Independent clubs that pay a franchise fee to join the league.
     
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  16. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love Ferdinand's argument that the salary cap is evil & teams should spend dump trucks of cash if they are able to.
     
  17. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And are tied to the league via an exit fee.
     
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  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It has been for the past 5 years.

    Once you give a waiver, it is hard to take it away.
     
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  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    So wait, 8 confirmed clubs include the 2 West cost expansion teams right?

    So the current 8 - SF and Edm. + SD and Anaheim.

    Then the throw out Detroit, New Orleans and Atlanta as hopeful expansion sometime in 2018 (I doubt it). All that with out including teams that may just be waiting to jump ship to USL, teams like Indianapolis and Carolina.

    So if they do get a waiver again (or the court gives them 1 year life support) they could have 6 teams in 2018 if Indy and NC are allowed to leave, or 8 if they are forced/want to stay with the exit fees or 10 if SF and Edmonton stay, or 13 if the 3 expansion team do by some miracle get to play in 2018.

    I would also include Puerto Rico, they were not doing great, the devastation form the Hurricane could mean they trow in the towel.

    So worst case (if they survive) they could have as low as 5 teams or if the stars align, as high as 13 (I would not bet on this).

    Is New Orland on Central time or Eastern time?

    If NO does not work out by 2019, they would still need a waiver for the 3 time zone requirement even if all others work out.
     
  20. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And, yet....that's what they have done.

    It's not hard at all. It causes people to bitch about how unfair it is that you don't give them until the end of the semester to turn in their first homework assignment, but it's not hard to do, if you try.
     
  23. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    So it isn't true then?
     
  24. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has been happening for years and NOW the NPSL has a problem now? Timing is too convenient for this to be a coincidence. If this happened I don't know, last year when they lost a chunk of teams to the PDL then I'd be more inclined to see this on face value but they sat on it for a year and now that papa Rocco is suing the USSF one of his cronies throws this out there. If this bothered the NPSL so damn much then you needed to have sent this letter LAST year not now!
     

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