Lekker Strand und lekker Meisje, lekker Vakantie: Euro 2017 [R]

I understand the u16-19 should be more about developing instead if a winning is everything mentality of the seniors, but I got to question her picks(for her tourney NT's) over the last couple of years & then she's not all that good in conditioning her team in big games; obviously the u20 WC final in 2012, where her tam looked like they ran out of gas all ready late in the 1st half & now again the u19 Euro semi where her team dominated in the first half as the French didn't even get one shot off, on or off target, yet lost their legs completely in the 2nd half(as the French out of seemingly nowhere started to run rings around them)

German youth players are always going to look good as they got the best experience in the world cause many of them are all ready starters in the best league in the world! Not sure you can give that much credit to Meinert for that.

As for Samson & the Frenchie, I feel they was railroaded to make room for female coaches, yet recent switches to female coaches by Brazil & Japan has so far only led them to falling rankings. Though got to give the Dutch coach credit for excellent tactics deployed at the Euros

btw...........this is the kinda hatched job that the anti-Sampson feminists were promoting, I mean really why would a family man make a pass as someone else homely looking like the lessie Klingenberg? lol
https://49.media.tumblr.com/1bc57a97023a545a48a52e86e4161289/tumblr_o3hr5b3vms1ro69xno1_540.gif

 

i's funny, now the anti Sampson mafioso is claiming Houghton's meteoric rise to captain of the England NT was cuz she slept with Mark!

but then isn't England the country that made the classic movie, Bend It Like Beckham? (after crushing on him, Keira Knightley ended up sleeping with the coach anyways)

 

We're at this? At the unsubstantiated gossip?

Or is there anything that can be proven about that?

 

How you go through a decade of unprecedented successes of world championship qualification and U-20 finals, to produce the mess that was the amateurishly coached 2017 Euro's side is, well... truly laughable in it's complete failure.

She won't/can't try this, because she hasn't even managed to get a good system in place yet lol.

Didn't you notice the tactical horror show that's been Jones first 15 matches in charge of this team..? She's gone from her team looking positionally confused in a 4-3-1-2, to having her team look even worse with a flat 4-4-2 during the last match they played.

Considering the past accomplishments by many of these girls, the clear lack of confidence running throughout this group of players is a bad indication of just how ambivalent many of them must be towards this latest coaching team.

 

LOL, oh really... So Germany's 2012 U-20 side cruising past everybody (including the team they lost to in the final) on route to falling at the final, and the recent U-19's losing a WC qualification Euro's semi they also dominated for long periods, both equate to affirming your idea Germany's women are poorly conditioned.

And on top of that wild leap regarding poor fitness, your also going to push this further, suggesting the U-19/20 coach who's maintained the best record of any coach at this age group is a fraud now, because all German players need do is simply show up at the youth WC's with the clear advantages of playing for Bundesliga teams, and win... hmmm.

So leaving out little facts like Germany being part of the toughest confederation at youth level, or the only wnt program to maintain a perfect record of WC qualification, it makes suggestions they should never lose logically pass for a measured and reasonable debate, because you know, reasons..?

US girls have an open access policy to basically full time professional level soccer facilities and training conditions during their college years, but nobody's suggesting they could go to every WC and reach finals or win. So why is this the case for young German girls..

 

Hmm do you think Gössling's gonna take Demann's role when she's back in the NT? Demann is a good player but it's wasting to play her as DM when she's so good as a CB.

Tell me, is Steffi still playing her 4-4-2 system or? Why is Steffi so obsessed about dominating the pitch when her team barely creates chances and the opposition actually ends up with the best chances lol

 

The question should be who else other than Goeßling or Demann should play DM. It's not wise for any coach to depend on Goeßling, and there should be better options than Demann for the team pivot/DM role.

I'd personally prefer to see Hendrich or Doorsoun used in a DM role, with both players having intelligent/flexible positional sense, quick, technically strong, and not stupid in the way the make committed tackles too.

But seeing how Jones does things, I'd bet on a fitness concern Goeßling being replaced by a sturdy but restricted Demann come the next series of games.

She changed her team for the last match to a 4-4-2, but used a few players in more than one position as the game progressed and deteriorated. So Jones threw out her diamond mid-field and started with...
Laudehr - Marozsan - Demann - Däbritz
---------------- Huth --- Kemme ---------------
before changing to....
Laudehr -- Däbritz -- Demann -- Kemme
--------------- Huth --- Marozsan -------------
and finally....
Blässe -- Kemme -- Demann -- Dallmann
--------------- Huth --- Marozsan -------------

 

hendrich as DM and Elsig/Demann as CB's is what I've wanted for a while tbh, but won't probably ever happen lol. I read somewhere that Peter "wins" on her personality so therefore she's in the startelf lol, why not think talent and skills instead huh?

Hm so you don't think Gössling's ready for NT games yet? Seems to be a starter in Wolfsburg again

 

nice try!.........but I said Meinert & only Meinert as head coach is mainly responsible for some questionable conditioning which resulted in losses. But then again I did cover her probable excuse that maybe to her.......winning isn't everything!(which could also explain why she didn't take some of the best to the last youth WC or Euros)

I get all my info from this lesbie forum; part gossip, part witch hunt, but occasionally some valuable info/links. Several pages long of Sampson accusers. knock yourself out reading
http://s1.zetaboards.com/L_Anon/topic/4615619/938/

btw........you might ask why I check out websites like that. It's either this or go men's soccer forums which usual chauvinistic put downs every time women play......there's apparently no middle ground in the wacky world of English football!

 

Thank you very much, hotjam2. I indeed knocked myself out reading, but I feel like it was worth, especially in the case of the very long and insightful Anita Asante's interview.

And if you have to recur to "unofficial sources" as that forum to get info that are barely showed anywhere else, let's go with it! It even looks like a place where there are very interesting and open-minded discussions, and not just gossip as I had feared.

 

So why did she make Marozsan captain if she feel's Peter the true leader of this disastrous team..?

Goeßling and Laudehr are senior players/guaranteed starters with more obvious talent and personality to lead, but I thought Jones making Marozsan captain was a sign of this team having a fresh start with Marozsan's generation leading the way, no?

But instead of that needed transition happening, we see Marozsan's generation (now in their mid 20's) looking like zombies playing for another coach who doesn't know them or their style of play. And this while the same coach has become an open cheerleader for the likes of Peter and Henning being the pillars of the team lol.

She's perfectly healthy playing once a week for Wolfsburg... right now. I just don't see her being relevant for most of national teams matches if it means she's having to manage her body more carefully, adjusting the amount of time she's playing tough competitive football.

Plus shouldn't Germany have somebody credible able to deputize as a solid DM option in Goeßling's absence..?

 

Hmmmm, but aren't you forgetting this... "German youth players are always going to look good as they got the best experience in the world cause many of them are all ready starters in the best league in the world! Not sure you can give that much credit to Meinert for that."

That's what you said lol. Isn't this your opinion talking about German players and coaches achievements at youth level not counting for anything significant, because they happen to have access to a strong domestic league..?

And then you decide to take this further saying... "obviously the u20 WC final in 2012, where her tam looked like they ran out of gas all ready late in the 1st half & now again the u19 Euro semi where her team dominated in the first half as the French didn't even get one shot off, on or off target, yet lost their legs completely in the 2nd half".

Using only two examples of failure to affirm your ideas Meinert's teams being poorly conditioned, only succeeding due to having a strong domestic league to select players, even though this same age group Meinert's overseen her U-19 team lose to Ireland during one Euro's, and fail to even leave the group stages in another lol.

And this is why I say if it was so easy, why haven't the US women produced a significantly better record at youth level, when they have wider access to superior soccer facilities and athletic training methods at college level...?

Meinert's far from perfect, and her record showcases that; but when she's won U-20 WC's having lost 6 first choice options prior to the event even starting, I think a little credit should be given to this woman's ability to effectively build a winning team.

 

PLEASE don't make me tell ya how very complicated US soccer is once AGAIN! But in a nutshell; US has had the most success of any woso programs in the world; 3 U20 WC titles(tied with Germany for most) 3 WC titles(tops) 4 Olympic titles(tops) & a record 9 Algarve Cups as well.
The success has had to be attributed to really one thing & one only thing, YEP you guessed it ..........TITLE IX. Obviously you now what it means as it also contributed to American success for women in host of lesser sports.
One minor woso success factor(as it's only spawned by TITLE IX) is the obviously big participation rate. But American female participation rate any any given is about 4-5 million of which U6 is tops. It dwindles down to about 384K that play high school ball(ages14-18) & 39K who play college(though foreigners make about 5%).

Still big numbers, but that's the only thing in we got in favor. Otherwise soccer is vastly different over here; for one; we don't play by FIFA rules!; we got unlimited subs all the way into college. We got a clock that goes backwards & it's the clocks buzzer that ends the game, not a refs whistle. In some states, slide tacking is banned in high schools all the way through high school years.(age 18). A lot of the division or district games have to be won, hence several of the games are played into o.t.
We only have 3 month seasons(as we're really into multi sports), though they pack a lot of games in those months(ave about 20 games, so the unlimited sub rule becomes handy)
Some of our high schools are coached by the local gym teachers. Sure, there's something called select/travel soccer run by several hundred mom & pop operations around the country that have supposedly ex pro's coaching them & at least play around 6 months. But it's usually two times a week, 1 & half hour training, and then play in 1-2 month tourneys around the country. Then we got these travelin soccer camps peddling names like 'Samba school of soccer' with mottos like 'play like Pele!'(while kids wouldn't recognise his name, most paying parents do!) that give you 3-4 days of lessons during the off season. It all varies how important select or camp soccer is here's one threat that American fans apparently thinks the elite soccer league called ECNL is the greatest thing since cream cheese
https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/ecnl-ongoing-debate.2015384/
but keep in mind that select is something that kids or rather parents have to pay out of their own pockets, and even at it;s most elite, clubs usually have a separate u18, u17, u16 team rather than a centralized super squad.

Now how does that compare to Europe where a pro club like FC Barcelona picks up a protegee like Messi at age 12, flies & pays for his entire family to come live with him while he gets free(and then well paid training) all his life from arguably from some of the best trainers in the business? Or on the women's side, Maro turning pro & starting her first game at age 14 & continuously playing in the top woso league in the world?

and please explain, how an American u20 NT coach suppose to mold a squad together, trying to pick up out the best out of the circus or mess of American soccer which include either members of over 14K high school teams, 1300 college ones (though only freshman or soph's) or from the mom & pop select squads? Then switch them over to FIFA rules within a few weeks of training?

 

LOL, your reply read like your just whining about typical sporting bureaucracy, while also trying to describe to me how unfortunate young US girls are, when in fact your post probably ends up highlighting how much more damned opportunity/finances US girls have over any other nation to provide and waste on female athletics.

Did you really compare a young Messi's situation to that of Marozsan...

I think your really out of touch with the financial and social reality of European men's and women's football at youth level, if you honestly believe Marozsan playing semi pro football in the German women's second division is somehow relatable to the conditions a young Messi would have been provided as a star within Barcelona's exclusive La Masia.

Even if you can't see the ridiculous comparisons of the conditions between men's youth football, believe me... aged 14, the US girls your trying to illustrate as so downtrodden will have access to sporting facilities WAY ahead of what most girls of the same age will find in Europe.

 

I'm not going to sit here and waste time dissecting the various issues of the USsoccer program, but I'll say every program will have critical flaws identifying the best talents for youth teams.

But when your talking about the supposed problems of the US program always having far too much to consider, you do realize many of the worlds youth wnt's within the U-19 age bracket will still play behind closed doors friendly/test matches, using the exact same (and sometimes more excessive) rotating sub rules used in the US..?

Yes, many of the European girls at U-19 level will hold the perceived prestige of being part of 1st division club teams, but beyond it helping national coaches identify potential U-20 prospects, it's hardly the advantage you think it is compared to what the US college sports system also provides.

Less than 1% of the major European leagues money goes back it women's football lol. And your here telling me how a system with close to a 50% split for women's sports doesn't provide a HUGE advantage for teenage women in the global sport of soccer ...

 

don't think I'm whining, just saying the US system is a lot different & not mean't to compete within FIFA's mandated tourney's Actually the biggest "whiner' was former US men's head coach, Jurgen Klinsmen, who derided the US youth system as an end's meet to just get into college, and that's about it. In Jurgen's own words, "there's no hunger" to achieve anything further.(so part of my argument is based on what a German said, lol)
But yeah, women's soccer in the US does have it's very good side; for one the girls are treated way more equally. You never get the male chauvenism as shown in other parts of the world. Facilities, whether it's high school, college or mom & pops select, are shared on an equal basis.
The US system works so well on the women's side since there's so few real pro contracts out there. That's why getting a college education while playing soccer is a huge benefit.

 

see what happened with Ancelotti today should be an inspiration for the one's in charge of DFB Frauen

 

LOL, it read like you were complaining about the US having too much, but regarding your latest post, it's not like Klinsmann was highlighting anything the US men didn't already know, right...?

Just look at all women's sport globally, and you quickly start to understand why the same athletic system that elevates the USwnt to the summit of their game, continues to hinder the US men still trying to play catch up within their own international scene.

If your a 14yo Marozsan, you get the benefit of developing within the significantly stronger culture of club football within Germany, but your training conditions are way behind anything found for US 14 girl with a similar pathway to the junior national teams.

I mean last year the DFB decided to assess and fix it's girls U-15/16's program, with them also taking the first small steps forward to hopefully improving Bundesliga 2; this in an attempt to stimulate an area of female youth football that's largely remained neglected since a 14yo Marozsan started breaking records.

 

Too bad I missed the last two qualifiers. And I will continue to do so. Unfortunately the german federation is tone-deaf and it`s not about elevating women`s soccer to the next level, but giving the old guard cushy jobs. And so the next generation of german talent will be wasted. Well...they shall reap what they sow. There is a reason why attendance and viewership for the german nt is sinking fast

 

You didn't miss anything lol, the team looks even worse than they did in the Netherlands. Steffi does so many errors and mistakes, and she hasn't learned from her previous ones! How DFB extended her contract until 2019 is a mystery for me

 

Woso NT's seem to go from being on top one year, to falling way down withing half an year later & then going back up again. Seems like as of late the general tone is to hire female coaches instead of men, but at least the recent switch in France, the lady coach came with a whirlwind experience as she was head of a men's 2nd division team, that's got to better than Jones who had no coaching experience whats so ever(though she also seem to hang out on the bench with Neid).
I was surprised of the weak attendance turnout in the home game vs Hungary(barely 3K showed up). the DFB might be alienating the male fan base. They should try to lure the Austrian NT coach over. What I liked about him was his so different tactics(than what we've seen out of Jones) making it a strong counter attacking team even though his players aren't particularly fast along with none of them would of made an Bundesliga all star team list. To think how much more talent Jones has to work with?

 

The DFB has a lot of really good male coaches to pick from though, so they really shouldn't be needing to look outside their own system in any future attempt to re-galvanize the hopeless looking senior wnt.

 

me think different...........it's about time to give the 'dfb manual' a rest and try something new; you look at the two most successful NT's at the moment, Australia & Netherlands, they both play a 4-3-3/ Their obviously spread thin in the mid, so they for go the center with long balls to their fast attacking fwds up front. The Dutch went more to their wide/wingers. The Aussies more centered, but also had an incredible impressive or rather intensive high press which disrupted the opponents game plan. England & Austria played similar. Again, got to give Austria a lot of credit, non of their players were exceptionally fast & they simply had no major stars to look up to. They definitely parked the bus, but they still try to get 3 fwds up counter attacking. They simply played with no midfield. It's a completely different approach than Jones or Neid, who might of followed or not the manual. but still both were into taking control of the mid before even thinking about launching an attack.

 

Hmmm, I'm not sure if your being purposefully ignorant on well known football history, but the Netherlands wnt use of 4-3-3 wasn't a random mistake. It's what their entire football philosophy has been shaped around since the 60's lol.

You ever hear about total football, or wonder why Barcelona and Spain are what they are in the modern era...? Do a little research and you'll quickly understand why the modern 4-3-3 is what it is today, and connect the dots between the Dutch and Spanish men's legacy because of it.

I know your stuck on this idea of wnt's following trends, without understand the long term historical nature of why football associations bother to formulate strategies for future success, that can often take decades to achieve or see anything resembling truly positive results.

However, the "DFB manual" you keep sighting isn't some inflexible secret order, or complex doctrine that must be followed by every coach within it's system; it's just definitely 100% not being showcased to it's true potential by Germany's two recent women's senior coaches either.

 

See, trying something new isn't having the German wnt copying another program who's entire list of accomplishment's can be counted on one hand. The German girls are already part of a very strong women's program, surrounded by one of the most comprehensive coaching systems in the world.

So there's no excuse for them to look outside of their own house to correct the mistakes of the wnt. It's hard with the new guys in charge, but the DFB just needs to stop being so damn apathetic towards the current conditions of domestic and global women's football, and the quality of coaches it provides the national players.

With the Netherlands coach having left an internship in men's football to take over the head wnt coaching role, the DFB allowing Jones to lead Neid's increasingly deficient team showcases just how out of touch and apathetic they all were towards the future of their senior wnt.