The European Union News Thread

Discussion in 'International News' started by Nico Limmat, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    His argument is the old 'race to the bottom' one. It leads nowhere except more inequality and more corporate profit which, as you say, is the point of it.

    It strikes me as strange that these 'difficult choices' always involve wages and conditions being cut for the poor and not anybody else. Isn't it strange that, for the right, there's never a 'difficult choice' in favour of raising taxes. That ones always a no-brainer... it CAN'T be done.
     
  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Jobless in banlieus and little England smashing up cars n stuff. Not jobless in Germany not smashing up cars n stuff. Not jobless win and are therefore more social
     
  3. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Germany's 'success' has little to do with the reforms you want us to do. What they provoked in your country is to increase poverty and inequalities.
     
  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Are you available with subtitles?

    WTF are you talking about? Jesus, dude... you're losing the plot here.
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Is THAT what he was talking about? Are you sure?
     
  6. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    White/Blue losing the plot ? Nah, that never happened :D
     
  7. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    When was the last time you heard about riots taking place in Germany?
     
  8. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Well, last july in Hamburg :D
     
  9. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Those werent Germans hihi

    Ok. Everything has to be precise with you:

    "civil unrest"
     
  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  11. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I just can't see what your point is.
     
  12. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Exactly. That's why there are banlieus in France but not in Allemagne
     
  13. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Whatever you call it. You have your own spatial and social inequalities, and they're growing up. Germany makes no exception here.
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We have inequalities on such a high level that American tourists always wonder eveyone's driving a BMW or Mercedes around here.
     
  15. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Ah... great argument. It dépends on where your tourists go. Living in wealthy South West Germany isn't the same as living in poor North East landers. Visiting large metropolitan areas in different to visiting poor rural places.
    Nearly 16% of German people have incomes falling below the poverty line.
    15% of children are considered living in poverty. That figure is as high as 20% in Berlin and Brehme.
     
  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Germans who can calculate know of course that those are just statistically made up guesses depending on where you estimate the average wage. That if everyone earns actually more that at the same time there will be more poor. Germans know that.
     
  17. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    You mean that everyone utlimately wins ? We know that it's not true since Reagan at least.
     
  18. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Oh god no! Im as opposed to neoliberalism and the trickle down lie as you mon ami. I merely said the figures you came up mean shit as towards the question if there are more poor people in France or in Germany and if they are really poor.

    The only figure I consider to be meaningful for my argument is if there are banlieus in a country and if there is are people smashing up stuff there because they got no perspective yes or no.
     
  19. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    You're falling below the poverty line when you earn less than 935 euros per month in France and less than 950 euros/months in Germany (60% of median income). 14 % of people living in France are concerned with that situation vs 17% for Germany.

    Sure you got banlieues. Just read the definition of what a 'banlieue' is. There are rich and poor banlieues. A banlieue is just the peripherical area of a city. Now if you mean poor neighbourouds, being in cities or rural areas, sure you got them, riots happening there or not. Poverty may be less visible or less concentrated in specificic neighborouds, but it exists nevertheless. Hey, some people vote for Afd for some reasons don't they ? Some have no perspective either there.
     
  20. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  21. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  22. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Yeah... I' m highly skeptical about it. What are the chances that German future coalition accept Macron's propositions ? Merkel may agree to some extentwith some of them, but she' ll have to compose -probably- with the FDP whose views are deeply against European federalism.
     
  23. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No one knows. We dont know if Jamaica becomes a thing. And what the foreign press also seems to forget is that Merkel's own party CDU as well as the CSU reject common budgets. Any government wouldnt survive if the result would be Germans working until 75 in order to pay for French and southern debts.
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Austria's about to get a 31 yo chancellor



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  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

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