Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    Bolivia
    Me three.
     
  2. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
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    Philadelphia Union
    woke up from nap to see him starting vs bayern :eek:
     
  3. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    Versus Bayern no less. But even better is that it is a Bayern that is resting Vidal, Thiago, Ribery, etc. So he gets a taste but isn't drinking from the firehose.
     
  4. PM22

    PM22 Member

    Jan 17, 2017
    Califor-nye-ayy
    910209142652067840 is not a valid tweet id
     
  5. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thing is the backups are so close to being as good it hardly matters.
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't look totally out of his depth in his debut against a world power.

    At the same time, I think most of his strengths and weaknesses are pretty evident after a few appearances.

    Good touch, and plays the early ball well. Not overly negative with it. Hard to dispossess with his strength. Strong in the air for a shortish guy. Gives effort out there and can use his body to win challenges if he can get close enough.

    However, he struggles to get on the ball more than most because of the lack of quickness + off ball anticipation. And I think he's too aggressive pressuring the ball to his goal's side especially when that's considered. Opponents get behind him a fair amount.

    There's nothing really eye-catching about his game so far. Maybe trying to play within himself (on the ball at least) as a youngster, and he'd take more chances on the offensive side as he established himself, showing another part of his game. Only watched him once as a youth.
     
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  7. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 21, 2017
    Exactly. I think that given his age+experience, the team he was playing against, the mess that Schalke was in trying to get the ball out, and the state of his team mates he exceeded expectations. If you pretend he was some middle of the Bundesliga pack German 28-year-old you'd say he had a decent game and you wouldn't ever talk about it again. So a good stepping stone game. Now he needs to make another step.
     
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  8. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wow, that seems really premature to me...from what we've seen of his youth appearances I think WM has a lot of attack in his game which he hasn't shown yet and he played exactly as I would tell all my players to when making a sudden jump in competition; play smart, don't try to do too much, move the ball quickly and KEEP IT SIMPLE.

    If he's not quick he's gotten really lucky that nobody has blown by him when he steps out to pressure. The only mistake he made today came around the 40:00 minute mark when he seemed to get caught on a change of direction, but to me that's more likely a matter of balance than quickness. Hopefully next time out he starts attacking more, though I note Bentaleb hung back a lot today too, so it may have been instruction as much as intention.
     
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  9. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    He played very similar to how Jonathan Gonzalez plays for Monterrey. Keep it simple and safe, and get the ball to the more experienced players. Only difference is Gonzalez plays for a juggernaut in Mexico, and Mckennie played against one in BM. Not much else to glean from this to me.
     
  10. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first paragraph didn't counter my assessment at all. I acknowledged he could expand his game more offensively when he's comfortable and feels like one of the leaders. That remains to be seen. It's not how he's currently playing though.

    As far as the 2nd one, quickness can be gauged early, so not premature at all if my eyes aren't deceiving me. Your eyes seem to be though, or you haven't seen all his minutes, because he's getting caught too high often and players are getting behind him who then he's unsuccessfully tried to chase down. He needs to get quicker, possibly by becoming leaner. Otherwise, he's going to have to pick his spots better and develop more anticipation off the ball.
     
  11. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Member+

    Jul 24, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No Roldan, right?

    Thank God.
     
  12. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That remains to be seen, huh. He's indisputably doing well where he is and hasn't gotten any sort of real shot with the national team yet.

    My assessment of McKennie has nothing to do with Roldan. To reinforce that, I've been more complimentary of Gonzalez' play than most. Shame you think you have to downgrade one player in the pool at the same position to prop up another and discredit a poster who is supposedly in that player camp. Homey doesn't play that crap. It's petty, again.
     
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  13. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    He looks way better than Acosta and Bradley already. Call him up , Bruce.
     
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  14. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Member+

    Jul 24, 2013
    NYC
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah. I didn't put him down. Just not interested in any more ambiguously competent MLS try harders on the NT.
     
  15. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being arguably the best American in MLS this season at 21/22 while displaying good technical ability and mind for the game hardly makes him another "ambiguously competent MLS try harder". You have to start somewhere.

    And you know full well that was a disparaging remark. It's far more so than anything I said about McKennie at this point which prompted your response. I just didn't speak glowingly of who he already has proven to be as a player and acknowledged some of his current weaknesses + strengths.
     
  16. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    Pretty confused why you brought up Roldan proactively on a Yanks Abroad thread. The poster you responded to gave their simple assessment of WM's play. Feel free to disagree with that opinion but the post had literally nothing to do with Roldan nor does any discussion of Roldan belong on this thread.
     
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  17. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Member+

    Jul 24, 2013
    NYC
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You guys are cute. In different ways, but definitely both cute.
     
  18. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you triggered by MLS or Roldan? Or both? McKennie was developed in an MLS academy, so choose wisely.
     
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  19. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
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    Your better than this, and I think the point was why troll MLS folks? Sometimes if you post in the US Men or the politics forums you can get bad habits.

    We all work pretty hard to keep this forum on topic, and about players club careers with a sprinkling of USMNT talk during intl breaks.

    I don't think his assessment of WM was that far off base. He did enough to get another look soon, and he just needs to keep improving. He does not look to be a first choice starter at this point, but I think he did enough to get more run-outs.
     
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  20. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
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    United States
    Premature. Yes, his skills are excellent, but he is presently lacking a competent understanding of the flow of the game. He does not yet realize how to position himself to maximize his possible contributions. He will learn that with more first team exposure (assuming Schalke can play at a good enough level--they gave away the game today through persistent ineptness).
     
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  21. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Member+

    Jul 24, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1696 Midas Mulligan, Sep 19, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2017
    Dude, I was busting @thedukeofsoccer's balls because he's always on about how good Roldan is and I know it happens in this exact forum because I very, very rarely visit elsewhere.

    Some folks are so insecure about MLS they can't distinguish between calling a guy who plays there not NT good enough and criticising the league.

    I am not one of the people engaged in you guy's league debates. I call it as I see it regardless of league. And I engage in good natured banter from time to time, mostly because I'm not a self-aggrandizing, humorless prick who can't ever see the funny side and occasionally laugh at himself. And no, I'm not calling you that, Dirt.

    But when I do come across those folks who are a little too self-serious, I just say ******** it and do it anyway.

    Eta
    @y-lee-coyote see above. Not even a comment on Wes. Pretty much me taking the piss out of Duke (@thedukeofsoccer , got it that time). And doing a fine job of it, it seems.

    And fixed poster tags.
     
  22. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think McKennie's gonna be a star. A UCL level baller fo' sheezy. Believe me.
     
  23. beerslinger23

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    Jun 26, 2010
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  24. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I wonder what it must have felt like for him to get a first team start against a giant?
     
  25. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria

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