The Trump Presidency V: New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies

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  1. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    No shame here with this admin.
    Not what the Partis Accord is about but the same. Fuck the future, attitude.
    As Trump has heard about "Coal" in Escalante Cayon. (Good news for those West Virginians) Lots of timber in those Giant Sequoias. Then the marine reserve off Hawaii, the breeding grounds for tuna has some great fishing.
     
  2. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Sorta. Only a few thousand fewer people voted for Hillary than Obama.
     
  3. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

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    Yes, because you can also vote for Mickey Mouse.
     
  4. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    The Democrats aren't entirely tone deaf. They have eagerly seized upon the plans that the GOP has floated to cut back on 401(k) tax benefits -

    I mean, I never discount the power that white nationalism and Christian identity has to get people to vote against their pocketbooks, but one would think that even Tea Partiers might recognize that yeah, cutting 401(k) tax benefits while also reducing corporate taxes, isn't what the Tea Party allegedly was founded to support.

    Well, at least some of them. Maybe. At any rate, it's an issue that the Dems with good conscience can use to drum up their "middle class" credentials.
     
  5. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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  6. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Didn't we already establish that it was more a matter of people not voting for her rather than anything else? I thought you'd shown that a while back.

    I dare say some people switched straight across. GOD knows how or why, but... :(
     
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  7. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
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    Why is it that the GOP treats money earned by money as more legitimate than money earned by labor? Money earned by working is more taxed than money earned by not working? Is there an expressible economic theory beyond 'wont someone think of the shareholders'?
     
  8. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Those who earn money from stock, land or other non-earned income are from a better class than others so they should be awarded thusly.
     
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  9. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    Money earned by money is earned by money that has presumably already been taxed.

    Kinda like people born to slaves, it is already past the barrier and therefore in a separate category. Of course this makes more sense if it isn't taxable at all, but...
     
  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    That's easier to answer than why so many people who earn their money by labor support such policies. Or the related question of why so many people who earn their money by money vote against the GOP.
     
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  11. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    Yes, Juggalos are preferable to the ardent supporters of the President of the United State (aka, deplorables).

    THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is YOUR 2017 United States of America in a nutshell.
     
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  12. xtomx

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    #2387 xtomx, Sep 18, 2017
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    Except that is bullshit and everyone knows it.

    Because people of sufficient means can afford to vote against their own pecuniary interest.

    I am basically completely middle class (one of the "joys" of working in Legal Aid).
    I do not have children.
    I own a house.

    I did not use the Chicago Public School system.
    I do not use the Chicago Public School system.
    I will never use the Chicago Public School system (I don't, won't and can't have children at this point).

    That being said, I spend thousands of dollars a year in property tax to support CPS and I will almost always vote for HIGHER property taxes (despite there being a grade school at the end of my block and my partner calling the students the "little sh*theads" as they pick and then trample her tulips each Spring).

    Why? Because having an elected populace is far more important to the City and the nation than me saving a bit of money on my property taxes.

    Sometimes we who can afford it have to pay a bit more for those who cannot.
    It is why we have progressive tax system.
     
  13. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

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    So what? The new income hasn't been.

    As money moves around the economy, it gets taxed lots of times -- each time it changes hands as income. But when it's income for those more well-off, the rules are different.
     
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  14. bigredfutbol

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    Work isn't actually valued very much by policymakers it seems.
     
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  15. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Of course, that is EXACTLY what the Koch Brothers envisioned when they created the Tea Party in 2009.
    They just found millions of rubes (including, lower income white people, retirees and the aforementioned white nationalism and Christian identity) to follow suit and argue against their interests, but not the Koch's interest.

    Cutting 401k tax benefits AND corporate tax-that is a Koch Brothers' wet dream.

    If you could throw in cutting health insurance subsidies and Social Security, you would have Koch Brothers' "death by spontaneous orgasm"!
     
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  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Well, you have a guy in charge who jaked his way through school, knowing that daddy would get him into the right college when push came to shove, then jaked his way through college, knowing that daddy would hire him upon graduation. So yeah. Respect for the value of labor isn't exactly in this administration's DNA.
     
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  17. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Remember this is the administration that awarded Reagan the award "Champion of Socialist Labor" or whatever the Labor department called it.
     
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  18. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

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    Just in case this flew under the radar. In my very first NGO job in DC, I used to walk past this place and there was a Blackfinn nearby where we would go for happy hour.



    Hey who is this Kenneth Vogel cat anywhoo you must wonder.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    How did this campaign win again? Remind me???
     
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  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    In short, because Hillary was not likable enough for a bunch of old-white-guys in the Rust Belt and that was exploited by Russian bots. Factor in the bunch that considered that a Clinton presidency would be just as bad and voted 3rd party.
     
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  20. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    This is only part of the story, as you very well know.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
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    "Like totally STFU dude okaaay? Stop like trying to ruin it for us all. We have many Mexican servants who rely on great grandads money."

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  22. dapip

    dapip Member+

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  23. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    In short implies it covers the most important parts. Those are not the important parts. The decline in minority turnout. The Comey prime days before the election. Merrick Garland. Hillary not visiting Wisconsin once during the election. Those things are larger components than a few Obama union workers in Ohio and Pennsylvania switching parties.
     
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  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Payback for 'Merica temporarily losing its mind and voting that Muslim into office is other half.
     
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  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Again, not completely. Simple answers tend to miss the root causes of any problem.
     

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