News: Saturday , Sept 16, 2017

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Sep 16, 2017.

  1. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An aged European legend is leaving his long time club. Time for an MLS rumor. At least the author came up with a specific team that will actually have a DP spot available, rather than just the vague "NY or LA."
     
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  3. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    no MLS team needs to sign a goalie for millions of dollars and that includes buffon

    when the Rapids signed Tim Howard in 2015, i stated it was a waste of money, they already had a solid goalie in zac mcmath and what they really needed was a top class striker or #10 super creative MF- as it tuns out, i was right- the Rapids sit last in the West Conference and have the 2nd worst goal scoring in MLS- they are one of the most boring teams in MLS

    did signing howard have an attendance bump?? not at all- in 2017, the Rapids sit 20th in MLS with an average under 16 000 (2016 was 16 200 average) - goal scorers and creative MFs put bums in the seat- along with winning and being competitive, fans want to be entertained and nothing does that better than a terrific goal scorer or a creative #10 player

    solid goalies can be had for well under $1 million - and would buffon really want to be falling on all types of field surfaces which would take a beating on his aging body?
     
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  4. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Incorrect about no attendance boost from Howard. There were only a couple games the rest of the season which did not sell out. This also led to the Transamerica sponsorship being extended and increased. The team had an open DP spot, and one of the best known NT players was available.

    Poor front office decisions since then removed the team's core strength and caused attendance to fall, but those off-season and early season decisions should be viewed separately.
     
  5. Bisquick_in_da_MGM

    Jul 26, 2013
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Standing room only seats for Atlanta v. Orlando are reselling for $60.00.
     
  6. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the other hand, they were unexpectedly (in terms of pre-season forecasts) in the Supporters Shield race and heading toward the play offs. That likely has something to do with some of the late season attendance.

    I'm sure Howard sold some shirts and drew some fans. I am also sure the Buffon would sell a few shirts and draw the curious. But I'm not convinced that the difference between a good MLS keeper and an older international keeper is worth the money relative to investing those dollars on field players. The few teams that have spent money on top quality center backs recently seem to have gotten a better return, to pick an example I haven't actually verified. So while Buffon is one of my all time favorites and I would pay to see him play at least once, I'm not sure I want my team spending millions on him, especially if they have a good MLS keeper in place.
     
  7. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I'm against signing Buffon as a DP. He's a good candidate for being the best at his position the last couple decades, but there are specific challenges and concerns that would affect coming to MLS and specifically NYC:

    Would he care? Plenty of older DPs haven't (like fellow Italian Pirlo, whom he'd hypothetically replace). An unmotivated old player taking a DP spot for a year doesn't help catch Toronto or stay ahead of Atlanta. A DP should be more productive than a TAM guy, even if it's a glamour signing.

    Would fans care? It's not hard to argue he's had a better pro career than Howard, who I just defended as a signing for Colorado. But Buffon is unfamiliar to many Americans, plays an unglamorous position, NYC already has a successful sexy DP to fanboy or fangirl about, and he's not a USNT fixture. An expensive DP better generate sponsorship and sell tickets and merchandise, and I don't know if Buffon would.

    Would the changes hurt his performance, even if he is motivated? Lots of long distance air travel, weather variation, unfamiliar teammates with wildly varying styles and skill levels, and other differences mean it's often hard to adjust to MLS, even when players want to. Older players may take longer to adjust, because their success increasingly relies on experience and familiarity with teammates and their club's style and tactics rather than athleticism.
     
  10. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is the capacity for soccer?

    70,425 today
     
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  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Seeing that many fans come out and 6 goals scored was very exciting! Good job Atlanta!

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  12. Bisquick_in_da_MGM

    Jul 26, 2013
    Club:
    Atlanta
    #13 Bisquick_in_da_MGM, Sep 16, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2017
    I'm not sure what the stadium capacity is. I thought it was more than 70,425. However, I believe that was the tickets sold.

    I checked Wikipedia and it lists football capacity at 71,000.
     
  13. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

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    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SRO when I can see open seats?
     
  14. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bathrooms, concessions, merchandise, late arrivals, early departures, purchased but unredeemed tickets.
     
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  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What he said. And it wasn't just games after Howard showed up that were sold out, all but 2 games after the official announcement in May were sold out (one post-school starting weeknight game, the other was the first post-Super Bowl victory Broncos preseason game+Rockies+Journey all at the same time).

    The fact that attendance fell this year has everything to do with the FO deciding that Howard wasn't step 1 of a new plan but step only. An offseason where the only signing signings were Boateng and Gordon while the likes of JJ and Pappa left. Then ripping the guts out of the defense after game 3.

    For those who say the money could have been better invested elsewhere, remember that the Transamerica renewed sponsorship (and reportedly a significantly higher number) was announced the same weekend as Howard and the sponsorship deal was for the exact same length as Howard's contract. i.e. Transamerica is paying for Howard, not KSE. Who else could the Rapids have gotten with a similar visibility at a similar number? Because otherwise financially the move is worse for the Rapids.
     
  18. TOAzer

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    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
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    United States
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  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I think this league has to got start opening eyes around the world. I've been watching a lot of games in Europe this weekend with empty stadiums and no one would ever dream of a crowd like this from a new club. It's pretty incredible!

    Whenever Miami joins in along with LAFC next year, these high attendances could become a common thing.
     
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  20. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and we know the soccer capacity is less than football because of the stands that retract in the corners to give the full soccer width.
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NYCFC already has Sean Johnson, who is playing well his year. If they bring in Buffon, that tells us they don't care about winning. They could bring in a DP who could give Villa more service. Making a choice to bring in Buffon instead is nuts.
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did everyone read the article? They didn't have to pay him at all. They paid him through June 30. That's American capitalism in the 21st century. Why should he be treated differently from someone on an assembly line, or a clerical worker who develops carpal tunnel?
     
  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given some of the players over the years who have literally played 0 minutes due to injury and got paid for the season (Sean St.Ledger last year for example) why is Wynne treated different?
     
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