NASL 2017 News Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by Sandon Mibut, Jan 4, 2017.

  1. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're a done deal. But that doesn't mean they don't still have an uphill battle to survive beyond a year or two. I mean if the goal is to pump out flash in the pan teams that are one and done... then yes they're solid. If it's to build actual viable teams that will survive long term... well, they're far from certain given their 5th billing status (just among soccer teams in LA (nevermind sports teams in general)), their poor start thus far to marketing, and their so/so stadium location.
     
  2. NewYorkisgreen

    NewYorkisgreen Red Card

    Cosmos
    England
    May 31, 2017
    There is too much criticism about Nasl expansions and in general, this is a Nasl forum so if you don't like it just follow ML$ or U$L, there are so many team in California you can pick up without knelling the bell for Deltas and California United (altough I would have prefered an old Nasl like name)
     
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  3. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you think that because it's an NASL forum you can't be critical when the NASL or one of its teams like Deltas or OC are clearly screwing up? This isn't an echo chamber of NASL happiness... it's a message board. And both teams so far have made moves, or not made them, that deserve a hearty dose of criticism.

    On the flip side, not every NASL expansion team is cocking it up. The San Diego guys so far are off to a generally good start keeping themselves in the media, and thus far presenting a fairly ambitious and extensive plan for their future.
     
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  4. NewYorkisgreen

    NewYorkisgreen Red Card

    Cosmos
    England
    May 31, 2017
    I can understand about Deltas but California United are just born, give them time WTF
     
  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The difference being, of course, there has been a third division for 20 years and will be again and there have been standards for the last seven or so.

    You'd have no need for D4 standards until you actually create D4, which has not been done.

    But, again, even if they are half as robust as the D3 standards, most NPSL teams would struggle to meet them.
     
  6. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nothing wrong with being proactive. Plus, I would imagine there is a reason why they would be considering D4 other than "just because". They most likely are being asked about it, and see there might be a desire by some teams for form a D4 league in the not too distant future.
     
  7. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OC needs to hit the ground running they chose the market and THAT market has no time to give hence a lot of people here being critical. You realize that next year LAFC is coming to MLS with a shiny new stadium and everything. They got Carlos Vela for Pete's sake and they'll get two more big name players at least. OC has a huge mountain to climb and they are just sitting on their hands it seems not unlike the Deltas and people are rightly concerned.
     
  8. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They also have Bob Bradley captioning the ship. LAFC are looking to have a stranglehold of the market.
     
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  9. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    When not creating maritime memes, he'll also be coaching the team. :D

    (sorry, couldn't resist)

    As a Galaxy supporter, I feel like LAFC are doing a lot right and my club needs to get off their backside and start realizing they're not competing with Chivas USA anymore.
     
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  10. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed. LAFC is setting themselves up in a way that not only do the California United FC of Fullerton need to watch out, but even the Galaxy should be on notice. The Gals won't lose their core fan base by any means, but LAFC is going to be mighty alluring to the casuals.
     
  11. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    If there is a D4, I can tell you it won't look like today's NPSL or PDL.

    A couple owners might crossover, and the IP of a few current teams might also show up, but the whole concept of the current NPSL/PDL is completely different from that of a full season professional league. And the cost structure is another problem.

    The PDL and NPSL are built around college soccer. They're active when players are available. Their player rules are set based on NCAA/NAIA eligibility requirements. Their season is also based on field availability - often using scholastic (high school, district, college) fields during the Summer off-season).

    Moving to a full season is not as simple as waiving a wand. Fields that available/affordable late May to early August may not be available at any price in April or September. And if you can find 20 players willing to play for $10k/season, that's $200k of money you're probably not going to recoup because you're suddenly a "professional team".

    Back when I was pumping out my 200-400 copies/issue of the advertising free Emerald City Gazette, I was approached a few times about making it a full-time thing. My one condition was that two years of salary would be put in escrow and that I would be paid even if the magazine was killed by the new owner. My internal calculations showed that we'd need to get to around 15k distribution with half the magazine being ads to be sustainable. The ECG was effectively a PDL/NPSL level magazine. I couldn't make the jump to "D4", and nobody that thought I should be "D4" was willing/able to risk the money necessary to make that happen.
     
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  12. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Sports publications should have pro/rel. :p
     
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  13. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Non-starter. Grant Wahl would never agree to it.
     
  14. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    It's the only thing keeping me from publishing again. The closed industry of Big Publishing is artificially keeping small operations like mine from advancing on merit.

    Think of all the people waiting to pour money into the publishing industry if sports magazines had pro/rel.

    #ProRelForMagazines
     
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  15. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    and I would actually read magazines if there were relegation battles or promotion battles but you all have nothing to write for.
     
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  16. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    It's Kartik, so more rumor than news.




     
  17. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999


     
  18. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just when you think it's finally over.
     
  19. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    This is the same dude who criticized USSF for demanding more from the NASL.
     
  20. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Is anyone really going to care? I thought they had already gone bankrupt.
     
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  21. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I mean as far as NASL is concerned I suppose it is no? I mean the Strikers are already gone. And the team's IP isn't even owned by the former owners who are declaring bankruptcy (ostensibly I'd imagine to avoid paying the judgement owed the Rowdies owner).
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there is a difference between it shutting down for the season vs declaring bankruptcy and stiffing vendors and suppliers.. i think Kartik is overreacting (shocking I know), I'm also not sure why he's laying the blame on USSF, when it was NASL that approved the re Strikers ownership group in 2014, allowed the team to pile up debts until Bill Edwards started bankrolling the team, did nothing when a new ownership grouo appeared and were rebuffed by the 2014 owners, etc.. The only valid complaint towards USSF is the question of where the performance bond was. Was it never paid? Did the Strikers burn through it before Edwards stepped in??
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So is NASL dead in the water?
     
  24. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No more or less so then before this bankruptcy. The Strikers were already dead. Their former owners declaring bankruptcy I wouldn't think has much impact on NASL.

    Bigger concerns for NASL are struggling existing teams, not long dead ones.
     
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  25. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    There are soccer teams all over the globe - in top leagues - who don't pay their bills. Somehow a failed second division team in the United States is somehow going to blacken our reputation?

    Call me when someone doesn't get paid by MLS or one of its teams (well, other than the $65 I'll never get from Chivas USA for some 2005 USOC photos)
     
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