USL: FC Cincinnati v. Rochester Rhinos

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Raider025, Jul 29, 2017.

  1. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    I was not watching this match, but from what I saw on Twitter it seems the officiating was "bad". I do not know how it was done, so I'm just curious if anyone watched it or has an idea what happened.
     
  2. Bradley Smith

    Bradley Smith Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    No idea, but most (if not all) USL matches are streamed and archived on YouTube, including this one. Give it a watch and highlight any incidents you think are worthy of discussion!
     
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  3. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    I played back the critical incidences in this match. Unfortunately for the center official on the penalty call the ball never hit the hand. His angle obstructed his view, and VAR wasn't in use. (For reference, the penalty is the one awarded at the 81st minute).
     
  4. PhishRidge

    PhishRidge Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Cincinnati
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched, possibly the worst officiated match I've ever seen. Guido Gonzales Jr did an amazing job of making the match all about himself. Sent Djiby Fall off for two absolute shams of yellow cards, called a handball penalty against FCC when the ball clearly came off the center of his chest. Only called it when Rochester players yelled at him that it was a handball. When you look at the stats, he threw an unreal amount of cards at FCC, while seemingly ignoring similar fouls by Rochester. If this guy gets another match this season, PRO Refferee is a sham of an organization........ Most peacocky performance I've witnessed all season
     
  5. PhishRidge

    PhishRidge Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Cincinnati
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The red card is the worst moment of the match, it was wrong and absolutely ruined the rest of the game
     
  6. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    The 2 yellows in my opinion were justified. The fist was an elbow. The second, less so but I can see that being called as a yellow.
     
  7. PhishRidge

    PhishRidge Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Cincinnati
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You need to go back and rewatch or get a better angle, that "elbow" hits the guy in the shoulder, he just grabs his face. The second? Djiby won that ball fairly, he played it and Wal Fall kicked his foot. Neither yellow, respectfully diagree. It isn't just those instances, he mismanaged every aspect of this match, poor in every facet
     
  8. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    I did review those. I stand by what I said. Alas, from what I saw, there wasn't a reason for everyone to be losing their minds. Also, maybe he had a bad night. Happens every once in awhile.
     
  9. wguynes

    wguynes Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Altoona, IA
    #9 wguynes, Jul 29, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2017
    The game did get out of control but I would ask that the ridiculous homerfans please stop. Dropping "he sucks" with no basis in fact in this forum is not appreciated nor tolerated to my understanding.

    12' Goal - Graf, J. (ROC)
    27' C - Fall, D. (CIN)

    ? The first questionable call, light if anything at all. Head contact. Almost certainly AR1 called this. This gets player confidence in referee to be slightly shakey.
    29' Goal - McLaughlin, J. (CIN)
    42' SO (2CT) - Fall, D. (CIN)

    ? Less questionable than the 27'. I can easily sell this as reckless. Light, but using the first card against the referee in this case is BS. He got caught in the "I couldn't see the future" trap.
    44' C - Josu (CIN)
    !!! Achilles stomp. No question on this one.
    50' C - Hoyte, J. (CIN)
    ??? No clue. Phantom call as far as I can tell. Teams are now in WTF mode.
    78' Goal (pen) - Fall, W. (ROC)
    ! Solid penalty for hip in from behind. Teams are so roiled over Hoyte card they can't see this clear one.
    78' C - Fall, W. (ROC)
    !!! Taunting CIN fans. Player took it way too far. Announcers start actively undermining referee by this point.
    81' C (DT) - Berry, A. (CIN)
    ??? Penalty call for CIN handling in PA, bad angle. AR1 had to have sold him on this one too. Confidence already low... now it's gone.
    82' Goal (pen) - Fall, W.
    ? Penalty called, AR2 this time. I'm assuming handling.
    84' SO (OFFINABUS) - Jaye, D. (CIN)
    !!! Substitute loses it.
    86' Goal (pen) - Konig, D.
    87' C - Greig, K. (CIN)

    ! Laid out ROC GK in possession
    90+2' C - Walker, K. (CIN)
    ! Reckless tackle.
     
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  10. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    Thank you very much. I did think that the game did get out of hand. But that still doesn't give the home fans an excuse to call the game "15V10" or whatever they said on Twitter. Disclaimer: I am from Rochester, but I am NOT a ROC fan. I just happened to check this game and I saw that something happened. This helps me make sense of what occurred.
     
  11. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    Also, there were complaints about the lack of cars against ROC. Did ROC really not commit card worthy offenses or did you think the ref missed something?
     
  12. Mirepo

    Mirepo Member

    Nov 3, 2016
    I doubt he went into the game with the goal of being the center of attention--not many refs do, but they are out there. Just because there were a lot of major decisions in a game doesn't mean he wanted to make the game all about himself. That's a tired trope that the FCC announcers used about every 30 seconds of the little bit that I watched.

    I wouldn't call Fall's two yellows absolute shams. Maybe soft, but I see why they were given. The handball penalty was missed, but he didn't call it because Rochester players were complaining--he made some major decisions that went against a home team in front of a large crowd, so I don't think he's going to be swayed when a few players complain.

    And there was a disparity in the amount of cards given. So what? The idea that there should be an equal amount of cards is absurd. Teams don't always play with the same level of physicality.

    I'm not defending his performance as I didn't see the whole game. I don't like the way he interacted with the players sometimes (wagging a finger or waving his hand in front of a player's face), and he made a mistake when it came to a critical match incident. But you have to do a better job of presenting your case for why he did poorly or why a decision was wrong, rather than coming off as complaining because your team lost.
     
  13. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    This. I'm not a ROC fan, but I honestly am thinking the same way.
     
  14. wguynes

    wguynes Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Altoona, IA
    I see a referee who had a bad game. Some fans are attributing it to incompetence or, even worse, malice.

    To convince me of the former, I'm going to need to see an array of bad games.

    The second doesn't even need consideration. One doesn't get to this level without years and years of putting the game above themselves. We're to expect that this suddenly changed?
     
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  15. wguynes

    wguynes Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Altoona, IA
    #15 wguynes, Jul 30, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2017
    I do not recall much asymmetry in the application of the calls (fouls or misconduct). I would rewatch the match in order to be sure.

    There was absolutely asymmetry in the fouls and misconduct committed, but I feel it was a side effect of the frustration levels. It felt like a symptom of the officials' sequence of flubbed calls rather than the cause. These smaller perceived injustices feed the emotional hurricane.
     
  16. wguynes

    wguynes Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Altoona, IA
    This. I too noted his mechanic of admonishment needed a more professional tone.
    I felt like I was watching a particularly high level of high school match with parents in the stands.

    The style works with youth or young adult players with built-in authority figures waiting in the stands since it also educates the parents about what the sport tolerates and doesn't. (We 'muricans need more soccer education). It just pisses off paying spectators who are already sure they know more than the referee. Heh.

    As you, there's no way I'm defending this performance. This team has a lot of retrospective to do. I'm giving the officials team equal credit on this funhouse of a match.
     
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  17. incognitoind

    incognitoind Member

    Apr 8, 2015
    is no one questioning the final pk being in or out? It's clear guido thinks it's out then AR2 tells him it's in.

    It's also pretty clear that phish is an FCC fan so really no need to engage with him here
     

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