Stielike was sacked following the team's defeat to Qatar (June 13, 2017). Shin Tae Yong has replaced Stielike as the new head coach of KNT. Korea is ********ed. seriously ********ed. It is unclear whether or not Son Heung Min, Ki Sung Yueng, Koo Ja Cheol, (and Lee Jae Sung?) can play the next two qualifiers. This team is ********ed beyond reason.
A lot of people here are against it. But you know, that's BSK for you. BSK is generally anti-new coach most of the times.
STY is better than any other domestic option, and possibly any other Stielike-esque coaches the KFA might've hired if they went for another "not very expensive foreign coach who can speak english, will stay in korea for the time, etc." But Shin doesnt do well as coach in tournaments generally so that's a problem; however, I feel he would be a good enough coach for the next two games.
More hope than Stielike offered, sure. But it's a poisoned chalice - one that he couldn't refuse. Stielike left the team a mess, and Shin Tae-Yong will get very little time to prepare for two must-not-lose games against fairly tough opponents. And now, his key players are injured. This would be a challenge for any manager, let alone someone with little senior football experience. I've got plenty of "hope", but not much "expectation." We might still qualify for the WC, because Asia as a whole is in a down cycle, but I don't expect the team to look good while doing it.
I might be in the minority but I like Shin's Jeonbuk idea, even as a template. Those guys will at least play with their heads on fire and I don't like the idea that just because you sit on a bench for a european second tier team that your better than a guy playing solid football in the k league. I'll never forget Ki's pathetic rant, HKY's indifference, and just the entitlement of the european based players. Put LJS, Kwon, Keun (who had a good game against Qatar) and some Jeonbuk players in the game and swarm Iran, who can barely score themselves. If it falls flat, we still control our destiny against uzbek but I can't take another game of JDW's crap.
I don't agree with it but I think Steven makes some really solid points to back up his argument here. But I rather we play our best players
who the hell are these best players lol play those in form and hope for the best. only way to go about the next two matches
Sad fact is that the K-League is a poor barometer for performance at NT stage let alone international stage. How many times have we seen K-League standouts flub? It's not enough. You have to field your best players. That may mean a Euro based player sitting bench. That may mean a K-Leaguer who who is capitalizing chances when called to NT. Korean footy hack journalists have a tendency to backbite Korean players in Europe not out of objective form but out of projection of their politics. It's stupid as hell. It's the same thing as when Seonjo jailed Yi Soon Shin or when Korean press was ignoring and defaming Cha Beum Kun when he was kicking butt in Europe.
I was in no means saying we shouldn't play our best players, but I don't think LCY or JDW are any better than Keun or LJS right now at least. Koo/Kwon/Ki have their uses no doubt. Hwang/Son will start if available.
I've had this question for a long time, but are K-league KNT players really that better than CSL league, J-league, or middle east KNT players? Don't K-league teams have a hard time beating CSL league and J-league teams in AFC Champions League because theyre outclassed by the foreign or any players that earn a lot more money there? So wouldn't the players who play in the CSL possibly be better thaan those playing in the K-league because they face against monsters like Oscar, Pelle, and Hulk? So what makes the korean players playing in CSL that much worse than those playing in K-league? I mean, CSL league players like HJH, JHS, etc. flopped a lot of times when playing for the national team yes but perhaps that's because of their poor chemistry with K-league players and not their skills. You could make the argument that Chinese players in CSL are generally poorer in skill than Koreans in K-league, but then why do K-league teams have a hard time beating CSL and J-league teams and basically never even get close to winning the AFC Champions League anymore? After watching players like Choi Chul Soon play in the national team (supposedly K-league's best korean right back) against Qatar for example, I sincerely doubt whether this huge faith in K-league players is warranted vs players in CSL, middle east, and J-league.
They're not worse than K-legue players but the problem with the CSL is that many of our players aren't playing due to the new rule. That's why many of Korean players are leaving. Also I just accepted that it doesn't matter if it's K-league/J-league/CSL/Middle East. For me they're just not good enough. People arguing which gk is the best, but they're all the same level: shit. So there's no point in arguing.
If this was the case, our defenders from the CSL would have been have at least half decent by now. Also, Pelle? Is this the same Pelle that got manhandled by the FC Seoul's defense last year? Poor chemistry with the K-League players? Our national team for the past 2 years have been mostly filled with players that did not play in the K-League esp. our defense. Jeonbuk just won 1 last year. In FC Seoul's case, we went through a managerial change mid-season last year because Choi Yong-soo dipped for the Chinese league and we got knocked out by Jeonbuk. Hwang Sun-hong, this year, has been struggling in the K-League, so it's no surprise we didn't progress far in the ACL this year. The players don't need to be from the K-League and can be from any of those leagues as long as they consistently play for their clubs and can actually do the job for the national team. When Stielike was our manager, we had players that didn't even make it to the match day squad for their CSL/Middle East teams and players that did jackshit every time he played for the national team.
anyone who can only refer to players as europe players, kleague players ,china,japan,etc and not by name should just be ignored by default, especially with korean domestic players. if you cant even bother to watch the matches and make an unbiased assessment with the quality of playing level in mind you dont have an opinion worth a damn. kleague is literally filled with korean players and nearly all korean national team player comes from the korean domestic league. dont give the lame low quality excuse. if you want to have an opinion on the players fight through the shit quality and watch the matches. those 2 friendlies korea plays at the start of each month doesnt entitle you to jack
If you're referring to me, I did list a few players' names, I didn't just say "europe players, kleague players,china,japan,etc." I listed hong jeong ho, jang hyun soo, choi chul soon, etc. And according to this logic, you can't determine that Bundesliga is better than K-league because you did not "bother to watch the matches so your opinion isn't worth jack." What do you mean by "don't give the lame low quality excuse?" The korean national team has been doing total shit the past year not just because of the CSL, Middle east players, but because of EVERYONE. If "nearly all korean national team players come from the domestic league, and we are doing total shit in qualifiers and just regular matches, wouldn't it mean the K-league players just aren't up to it in terms of skill? Wtf are you talking about in terms of "2 friendlies"? Korea is on the brink of not qualifying for a world cup for the first time in decades because we lost to China, Qatar, could not beat Syria (a war ridden country) or just barely beat Syria. Choi Chul Soon, supposedly the top korean right back in the K-league, was total garbage against QATAR. I am one of those people who just want to say K-league is better than CSL, J-league, middle east, etc. and so korean players should just stay there instead of leaving to these money clubs. But, I'm just simply unsure about whether the quality of the K-league is actually that much better than that of CSL and J-league. Edit: @batumchange2 well, you said this comment right after I did not speak positively of the K-league so I thought you were referring to me. My mistake.
Jeonbuk is actually a good team, yes. But is Jeonbuk seriously the only team that can actually win matches against CSL and J-league teams? I don't think just because Jeonbuk is really good means the general quality of the rest of the league is as good or is anywhere near as good. Suwon, Ulsan, Seoul all falling in group stages while Jeju (in my opinion the worst of the 4 k league teams in the afc champions league) loses to Urawa Reds in round of 16. I can look forward to next year (and hope that they can prove me wrong), but results like this and k league players not doing that much better in the national team just make me doubt this "K-league is better 100% than any other league in asia."
You make it sound like the K-League clubs always lose to the J. League and CSL sides. It would be worrying if the K-League sides continually did not make past the group stages of the competition, but that's not the case. The K-League sides have always made it to the knockout stage of the competition consecutively since 2009. You also have to consider the situation the club is going through during the tournament whether its losing key players or their manager. For example, Ulsan were not going to do great in this tournament because their new manager was Kim Do-hoon. This was man who almost relegated Incheon last season, so it was a no brainer they were going to struggle in the ACL. The J. League sides have not won this competition since 2008. Do you honestly think that the Japanese football fans would say something like, "Oh, these guys always lose to Chinese and Korean clubs, so those players are not good for the national team and our league sucks." Of course not. You don't need to win this competition every year to be considered one of the best leagues in Asia.
I personally think the ACL is a pretty useless tournament. But I think the beginning of the season was pretty bad, but K-league has gotten better now with new and young players adopting to the game.
this is false, korean teams don't have an hard time beating CSL and J league sides...it's just this year that the strongest korean team was out. And just a little reminder, Jeonbuk won last season
While I think K-League is still the top dog in AFC, there's no denying that the Chinese clubs have tilted the scale and have been much more competitive. I mean they've won 2 AFC Champions League titles in recent years (doesn't matter whether they are bringing top foreigners or not).