Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Neymar is on the same level as Robinho for me. Highly overrated and he was terrible last season bar comeback when psg was sleeping. Soon to be forgotten in the french league which is just horrible nowadays.

    Let's hope Messi can bring Dybala. If these two can combine then we win the WC.
     
  2. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Were these puns supposed to be intentional? :D

    Anyway, regarding Driussi, he has been on an absolute hot streak for a whole year now. If he continues like this, it would be a heinous crime to leave him out of Russia 2018. Let's hope Sampaoli calls him up at least for the next WCQ games.

    There's hope at least. If Bauza was still around, you could forget about it. Aguero and Lavezzi could've been injured and retired for the previous 5 years, and they'd still get called up before el gordo.

    Speaking of Lavezzi, he has been on somewhat of a roll lately in the Chinese league (he's definitely outplaying Tevez). I wonder if Messi will begin advocating for his return.
     
    SupaMario repped this.
  3. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm not saying we need to call up Lavezzi, but he was great in 2014 WC when he played, including the final. He was on a roll throughout recent Copa until that unfortunate injury (typical Argentina luck in major tournament). He would have had a winning assist in 2015 Copa if it was Crespo or Batistuta who tap that one.

    However, those 2014 squad apart from few, shouldnt part of 2018 squad.
     
    cigar_city repped this.
  4. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If I had to pick from Pocho, Kun and Fatso to take to Russia there is no question I would rather have Pocho. I think we have enough talented forwards that could replace the likes of Kun and Fatso.

    We are about a month and a week away from our next round of qualifiers. So, we should perhaps see a list of players in the next couple of weeks. Most players should be getting back into shape and the matches being in late August and early September, they should perhaps be at their peak physical fitness and will not have heavy legs.

    I somewhat worry about Masche playing in the back three, which he is rumored he will. I've seen he's gotten into good shape but he was borderline terrible for FCB last season and he's been god-awful for us as well in recent memory.

    If we do end up in Russia and Sampa takes the players on merit rather than a buddy system, I think we'll perhaps have a better squad than we had 4 years ago. We could hopefully make a deep run. But teams like France and Brasil will also be much better than they were four years ago.
     
  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #4280 Rattlehead, Jul 24, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2017
    Its hard to predict how a team will perform in WC most of the time. The only team that really shows consistency and always progress beyond QF is Germany and that's it. In last few World cups, we've seen teams like Argentina (2002), Holland (2006), or Brazil (2006 & 2010) expected to perform at highest level but once the tournament started, they simply fell flat when it really matters.

    Brazil also looks unbeatable prior to 2014 tournament. Granted they didnt have qualifier to proof it but they also won Confederation at the time and beat Spain 3-0. The WC begin and they only have 1 conviencing victory out of 7 matches.
     
  6. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  7. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    Messi has showed up in better physical shape than ever.

    https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/07/2...-ever-pre-season-gps-data-after-joyful-summer


    Like Albiceleste says, he needs to skip Copa Del Rey altogether, even the final, if they get there.

    Wish he could rest some La Liga games, but Barca are going to be fighting tooth and nail with the best Real Madrid squad --- so I doubt that.

    Neymar wants to go to PSG; getting Dybala with Messi and them playing together the whole season could turn out very well for us.
     
  8. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    First of all, we will need creative midfielder that is much better than Biglia. Many said Messi was at his peak age back in 2014 (27 years old), but he still pretty much the same physically, in fact he was weaker in 2014 since he came into the WC after injury plague season. His individual stats last season was one of his best ever so hopefully there will be no injury or any kind of setback leading to the WC.
     
    afar repped this.
  9. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    I believe Messi is in way better shape physically than he ever was in 2014. Hopefully, he avoids injury. He has learned to manage his diet, which he never did in 2014.

    A lot of teams have strengthened since 2014...

    France have Griezmann, Dembele, Mbappe. Brazil are now playing with freedom. Germany is Germany; their B team won the Confederations Cup. Spain have Isco, Morata, Asensio. Italy have Insigne and Bernardeschi coming up.

    Obviously, some will pan out and some not.

    But if we get a proper midfield, and Messi-Dybala gel, then we could win it.
     
  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #4285 Rattlehead, Jul 25, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2017
    Messi played a total of 110 matches for Barcelona alone between 2012 & 2013 seasons and that simply too much. The Artemio Franchi thing is only 2 matches tournament so it wont be as grueling as Copa America and as SM said, it will benifit Sampa since he'll have extra match to test the team against strong opponents.

    Germany is Germany , they'd be at least in semifinal. In Copa America and Euro, luck can help you to win the tournament. We've seen teams like Chile, Portugal, Greece and Denmark lifted the thropy, although Denmark was really good back in 90's. Chile won twice despite not scoring in 240 minutes, we all know how Greece did it in 2004 while Portugal won only 2 matches in recent Euro. In WC however, luck can only take you to QF or perhaps SF but the winner has always been a solid team that played well as a team.

    I hope Dybala does move to Barca and play alongside Messi every week.
     
    afar repped this.
  11. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    With the way science and nutrition has vastly improved over the years, it is no shocker that Messi is in his best physical shape. This is evidentiary in other sports as well. LeBron James is still arguably the best player in the NBA and he's nearly 33. Federer just won Wimbledon at the age of 35.5 without dropping a single set and winning his second Grand Slam of the season. Most experts like John McEnroe said he is perhaps better than he ever was. Federer got healthy and took care of himself. We are lucky that Messi loves the game this much and he doesn't have vices that could detract his skills as it did with so many others before him.

    I also believe we can make a deep run in a year's time. Perhaps my sentiment will be more concrete when qualifiers conclude but I agree, with the proper balance we could be a favorite to hoist the trophy. I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think we'll have a more balanced team than we had 4 years and perhaps even a better team, at least on paper.
     
    afar repped this.
  12. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, Michael Jordan still scored 40+ points in his last season, so not only science and nutrition but the athlete dedication to the sport played a huge role as well.

    As for nutrition, its also appearent in sports like Boxing and MMA, more and more fighters stays at their peak throughout their 30's these days. Back then you can see fighters like Tyson, Ali or Chavez declined sharply at around 32.

    Off course this benifit Argentina greatly since Messi pretty much still gonna be in very good physical condition for next few major tournaments. Usually we're talking about replacing the team no.1 player in their late 20's but Messi proof he's even better than 4 years ago instead of getting weaker.
     
  13. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Driussi arriving to Zenit like

    IMG_0971.GIF-5.gif

    IMG_0970.GIF-1.gif
     
  14. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah, all they had to do was wage a vicious civil war, starve out all the kulaks, purge thousands of innocents... Are you a Stalinist or something? The path Russia took to get to where they are now, where they are governed by a totalitarian ex KGB is not the path to take...SMH

    No wonder the UK almost put Jeremy Corbyn in 10 downing street. Glad that in Argentina we have a serious president and we don't idolize communist nonsense.
     
  15. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Come on, don't tell me you don't want to take a shot of Stoli and eat some borscht at 3 in the morning when you hear Katusha.

    Russian history is quite fascinating. And perhaps we can discuss it on a sub-forum. But for now let's all hope Comrade Driussi and Paredes continue their fine play at Zenit.
     
  16. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hahaha take that Chilenos!

    h
     
    Pipiolo and Rattlehead repped this.
  17. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, hopefully that will happen :) . However, we need to focus on ourself since while we're in 5th position, the 2nd position is only 2 points ahead. A draw against Uruguay and a win at home would be good enough for this round but getting 6 points from remaining 2 home matches is a must.

    Chile has always be cry baby just like they're on the field. Rolling on the floor for 5 minutes for every fouls.
     
  18. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It seems that Dybala will be moving to Barcelona.

    [​IMG]
     
    afar repped this.
  19. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Dybala has looked lively in the first half in the pre-season match vs PSG. He's had some nice runs, two free-kicks that came close and he just assisted Fatso on a wonderful pass.
     
  20. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    [​IMG]
     
  21. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Peronism is pretty damn nonsensical as well and still idolized by many. But I agree for the most part.
     
  22. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Outside of the terrible news that Chaca will be returning to the Primera, it was an interesting week for many Argentinos throughout the globe.

    Centurión who had flown back from Genoa to re-sign with Boca decided to make a U-turn and fly back to Genoa. So, he put pen to paper for the Italian side. He has a lot of quality about his game but he is a loose cannon. It is a shame for somebody to be so talented with the world at his feet he simply cannot get it together.

    Mammana is being linked to Zenit and perhaps a deal will be done within the upcoming week. Again, it is interesting that many Argentinos are being linked to Zenit. I looked at the agent representatives for the likes of Driussi, Paredes, and Mammana and they're all from different agencies. Driussi is repped by Marcelo Simonian and Paredes and Mammana by much smaller agencies. It just is a bit perplexing to understand the move to Zenit. Regardless, I wish him the best.

    Tucu Correa scored a lovely goal vs Arsenal in the pre-season. I am sure if he has a good season at Sevilla, he will continue to be called up.



    Augusto Fernandez appears to be back. Fantastic news. He was out for nearly a year and personally, I am glad he took the full year off. ACL injuries need a full year to heal. Again, one can hope he is better than ever.

    Dybala had another nice showing in the pre-season v Roma. Scored with his right foot but only to be called offside(Slightly offside). It will be a big year for La Joya and he'll want to prove himself. It will also be interesting in seeing if FCB does purchase Dybala. If they do, they should not place him on the LW, that would be suicide for both player and club. Also, when Neymar does leave and if Verratti is part of the deal or is sold off, this will give the highly talented Giovani Lo Celso much more minutes for PSG.

    Di Maria might be another casuality of the Neymar saga, as PSG will need to sell off their players to make room for the FFP rule.

    And the last news about PSG, Juan Foyth who was being linked to Tottenham now appears to be joining PSG.

    Dybal v Roma.



    River also defeated Orlando City 3-1, Barboza and Alario both scored in the pre-season. I am going to be very interested to see if Barboza will be called-up. He has done great in terms of being a solid defender and scoring quite a number of goals. Beccacece being Sampa's assistant and also being the former manager of Barboza, there could be a strong likelihood he gets a call.
     
    locoxriver repped this.
  23. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Initial reports are suggesting a 3-man defense comprised of Mercado, Otamendi, and Pinola vs Uruguay for WCQ
     
    SupaMario and afar repped this.
  24. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  25. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Does anyone know if these guys have the same agent?
     

Share This Page