Jay Heaps after 5 years: still the right guy for the job?

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Should Heaps still be the coach for the 2017 Revs?

  1. Yes

    3 vote(s)
    5.1%
  2. No

    48 vote(s)
    81.4%
  3. Yes - but on a short leash.

    8 vote(s)
    13.6%
  1. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    Before Heaps goes, I want new blood choosing the new coach. This franchise is in a rut and it's not just the coach. If the same people keep making the decisions we are going to keep getting the same results.
     
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  2. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bob's not selling the team.
     
  3. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After Saturday's game Heaps seemed more frustrated than relieved, even though the revs won. Is it just me or does he know, deep down, that his time is up at the end of the season?

    It struck me as the same air of resignation Nicol had in the fall of 2011.
     
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  4. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But why waste a half season as a lame duck when, at least in some cases, the "new coach bounce" can revive a team and give it new life? Yes, it's an uphill battle, but they should make a move now, especially if they realize a change is needed at the end of the season.
     
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  5. propnut27

    propnut27 Member

    Barcelona, Tottenham Hotspur
    Germany
    Mar 15, 2009
    Naples Fl.
    Club:
    --other--
    #180 propnut27, Jul 26, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2017
    Probably because no proven manager with any kind of positive resume would agree to take on the job without getting the kind of administrative power that the Krafts would never agree to. And the chances of them finding a managerial equivalent of Tom Brady are astronomically small. That's why.
     
  6. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I suspect any serious coach and sporting director candidates would insist the Revs have to get a USL B team up and running, which the Krafts won't do, which means we get someone just happy to get the gig.
     
  7. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I agree with you but it begs the question, why not find a Belichick type coach and give him carte blanche to run it all - GM too? Why treat the revs differently than the pats

    Indeed, why do the revs need a GM? Why does MLS in general need GMs?
     
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  8. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we confuse the meaning of "General Manager" with what it means in soccer terms and what it means in other sports.
    The GM is a business management position in soccer, not a player management position.
    I suppose the could change the job title, which might make it clear that Burns (and the guys before him) doesn't have much say in player selection matters.
     
  9. teskicks

    teskicks Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jan 14, 2002
    Wrentham, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I heard LAFC just signed Bob Bradley. This really upsets me.
     
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  10. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. propnut27

    propnut27 Member

    Barcelona, Tottenham Hotspur
    Germany
    Mar 15, 2009
    Naples Fl.
    Club:
    --other--
    Bob Bradley will sign on with a team that doesn't even exist yet. Sigi will run LAG. Either the Krafts change policy and practice, or the Revs will have forfeited any reason for the fans to continue to support this mess
     
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  12. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To hear of the moves the LA teams are making, while the Revs just Burn season after season away, is painful beyond belief. Although I no longer have a season ticket, I still spent hundreds of dollars bringing friends to a few key games this year........ Unless there is a drastic and new found respect for actually giving a damn by the ownership this next year, I will buy a ticket no more forever........ This chump is chumped out.
     
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  13. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Technically Speaking: Should Heaps be Sacked?
    By Rick Sewall
    July 27, 2017
    NE Soccer Today

    Money quote:
     
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  14. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Frustrating yes but surprising no, given their prior connections. Schmid was Galaxy coach for 5 years, winning a title in Foxboro in 2002. Before that he was the coach of his alma mater, UCLA, for almost 20 years, winning 3 titles there. It's no shock he has an affinity for LA and would someday go back to the Galaxy, an organization he knows well.

    Bob Bradley managed Chivas in their only halfway respectable period, making the playoffs. Prior to that he took charge of the Chicago Fire in 1998, winning MLS Cup in their inaugural season. He clearly enjoys difficult/new projects - Chivas was an on-field disaster (worse than the revs) when he took over. Chicago was brand new to the league.

    It makes sense that these 2 coaches landed in those respective clubs as they have ambitious owners. The league is certainly salivating too as it means we will be subjected to the LA derby featuring two accomplished MLS coaches.
     
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  15. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #190 RevsLiverpool, Jul 28, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2017
    Interesting read from the folks at NE Soccer Today on whether Heaps should be fired. It's worth taking a look and voting in their poll at the end (currently 77% - 23% in favor of firing him).

    Summary of the arguments to keep him:
    • Appears to get along with his players
    • Committed
    • Lack of money results in lack of quality, limited scouting - factors out of his control
    Arguments to fire him:
    • Complains too much about ref decisions, making it hard for players to stay focused for 90 mins
    • Players take on coach's behavior and can get needless yellows for dissent
    • Lack of development of young guys
    • Change for change's sake - benefits of a new pair of professional eyes on maximizing squad's talent
    I like this quote from that article:
     
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  16. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Just passing this on...

     
  17. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the kind of brilliant insight you'd expect from a cerebral guy like Heaps. I hear he went to Dook! That remids me of the kind of expert commentary you might hear on the Daytona 500 telecast. "The key here is, the faster the car goes around the track, the more likely it is to win the race."
     
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  18. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    I am not so sure of this.

    I have noted a couple of times from what I have watched from my seats and on TV. Heaps may appear to get along with SOME of the players - but are they the RIGHT players.

    I see him yell stuff at Lee, and Lee doesn't look like he is listening or doesn't do it - one reporter said she heard Jay tell Lee to do x, and clearly Lee was not doing x at all after this.

    Also, Kamara sulked off and sat far away from bench. Tierney getting subbed doesn't look happy.

    Being a manager is a hard job and I am not sure sure that Heaps has the chops, credentials, or buy in from the players.

    At The NY game, I saw Marsch call Sascha over, gave him a piece of paper with instructions on it. Sascha listened, and ran over to all the guys he was supposed to and told/showed them what Marsch was trying to get across. That is a situation when the players believe and trust in the coach.

    Remember, Heaps could do nothing - in walks Jones, and Jones transforms the team. the players listen to Jones on the field (Jones fixes Soares poor decisions, and Gonsalves poor positioning), at practice, Jones called the player meeting. That is what you want from our coach, but Heaps was clearly a bystander during the Jones time.

    You may hate Arena, but he came in and sorted the psyche of the players, brought clear stability, and a winning attitude from JK. Heaps feels like our JK.

    Also, per my post in the Roster thread - Heaps does not seem to be organized. He may be "committed" - but that doesn't mean he is doing the right job to lead this team to MLS Cup and to attract, find, and sign the right level and mix of players to do so.

    In my book, these don't hold water as reasons to keep him.

    As for the rest of the article, the author brings up some amazing points that many of us on this board have been asking highlighting for the last years SINCE we got Jones in a coin flip (and before).
     
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  19. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That article, and others like it, got some interesting comments from Heaps after the game on Saturday.

    He may not be feeling any pressure from the FO, but he's starting to hear it from certain parts of the media.
     
  20. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
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  21. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slow day... I've been meaning to ask, does anyone find the title of this thread to be a bit off?

    Should be

    Jay Heaps after 5 years: still the wrong guy for the job. [period, no question mark]
     
  22. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I know the guy who started it ...

    There was a poll at the beginning of this thread which was intended to spark conversation. Hence the question was intentional. Open ended questions are often more appealing than a definitive (obvious to many) statement. Going that route would make it an echo chamber - was hoping to hear from the people who said yes to better understand their rationale.
     
  23. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO.it's hard for a coach to not loose the confidence of the players when they are doing as poorly as they are.

    Also, unless there is a truly unexpected reversal of things over the last third of the season I don't see how the Heaps can possibly stay on as Head Coach

    FWIW, I do NOT want Carlos Llamosa to take over from Heaps
     
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  24. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's probably going to be Paul Mariner - from the booth to the sideline is the career path for revs coaches.
     

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