Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has 6 goals and 12 assists in the Bundi.....if you say all of those were to Auba, Auba still had 19 goals without him...and you know, without him last year Auba did pretty well....so maybe its the other way around....how will Dembele do without the most prolific scorer in the bundesliga scoring goals for him
     
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  2. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I will concur with Sizmik here.
     
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  3. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting take, especially the idea that he 'really separated himself from Pulisic'

    From what I saw Dembele certainly had more of an ability to create dangerous moments out of nothing, but he was a luxury player with a manager who seemed to have a high threshold for luxury players and on a team that suffered for it...there's the lack of defensive interest, but I can certainly live with a player of that attacking talent being indifferent to defending.

    The main issue was the degree to which Dembele squandered offensive chances by dribbling into cul-de-sacs, not seeing passes and trying too much himself. Now BVB as a team really suffered from this so I don't know (especially for a young player) to what degree this is Dembele's fault or if he was just going with the flow. I think Tuchel should be held responsible overall for the way the team took on this ethos and think it was the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the BL. The one problem that can surely be laid on Dembele is the seemingly high number of give-aways in the middle third as a result of dawdling on the ball and not recognizing passing opportunities. So yeah, on Tuchel's BVB I guess Dembele separated himself, I just don't think too many other managers would have so consistently overlooked Dembele's flaws.

    Dembele's pattern on the ball appeared to me either 1-touch pass or dribble as long as possible then look for an option when all exits were closed. Except, except, except with Auba on the field, who Dembele deferred to and looked to feed. I wonder what percentage of his assists were to Auba.

    This is why Dembele is a $70 million dollar player...if he can learn to treat all his teammates like Aubamayeng and be aware and provide assists all over the field (which will lead to more open spaces and goals for him) then he's a $100 million player. If he goes another 2 seasons without developing that ability he becomes a $40 million player (which ain't so bad).
     
  4. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well said, Dembele was really careless with the ball and it hurt. His athletic ability and decent touch allow him to make special moments but in the grand scheme of things you better have the guys on the field that can prevent a counter attack because hes going to give it up in bad sports. Hes pretty selfish with the ball as well. I watched him a lot and while i think hes a good prospect, i certainly dont see 70 mil type player.....70-80 mil gets you a guy like Alexi Sanchez....its not even close who the better player is
     
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  5. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    Read my post again. I never implied or in any way suggested that Auba was dependent on Dembele. If anything you can take that I think Dembele is dependent on Auba.
     
  6. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't replying to you brotha
     
  7. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    Oops I confused you for Cris 09. Somehow I read your posts as one and mixed everything up. Please disregard.
     
  8. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I didn't reply to you either. :)
     
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  9. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    when does the pre-season for Dortmund begin?

    btw who was the Player of the Season? Was it Auba?
     
  10. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Sell Dembele, take the truck load of cash, let Pulisic take over, and BVB is a better overall team.

    Win-win for everyone. Problem solved.
     
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  11. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    @Cris 09 Ok then I'll just end it all by saying I don't know what the f i'm typing today and go back to my drink.

    Carry on then...
     
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  12. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Cheers!
     
  13. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or keep everyone and see how adding a player like Dahoud plays out.
     
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  14. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Dortmund would struggle to replace him with a similar level talent. It was a surprise he chose them over Bayern and PSG. Someone like Jesus Corona is not as good as Dembele is now and he is older.
     
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  15. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't believe the Corona rumor. Why would Dortmund buy a Porto rotation player? Doesn't seem likely.

    I think if Dembele goes, they might not even bring in a replacement. They could have Pulisic and Philipp as their starters with Schurrle, Mor, Kagawa, Goetze, Isak, Guerreiro, Durm as the others who can play the wide midfield positions. And then thats until Reus returns. When he does, he will be starting. They have more than enough wide midfielders.
     
  16. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I suppose no one is remotely surprised that Benfica is selling players for 30 and 40mm to ManU and Cite' that Dortmund and Dembo and CP absolutely annihilated home and away.

    It should be noted Benfica keeper kept the match under double digits. He was incredible. I have never seen a team walk off at half time, shaking their heads just staggered and shell shocked. probably Tuchey's high water mark.
     
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  17. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Look Pep enjoys having dinner with young, lithe, french black men. don't deny him his peculiarities. Sheesh.
     
  18. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All your criticisms are legit. And, they were all leveled at Christiano Ronaldo during his first year at ManU. The proof of value is in the player's development trajectory. CR gradually became a better team player. Perhaps Dembele will, too. Tuchel and his coaching staff probably has/had a good idea about that. I don't know about the incoming staff.

    It would be relatively simple to improve the team or at least keep it simple should Dembele leave. Hire some stronger backs and midfielders with better defensive skills. The goals prevented would compensate for the loss of Dembele's goals scored.

    That said, I can't believe Dortmund would allow both Auba and Dembele to depart at the same time.
     
  19. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cristiano was a style over substance issue early on. More stepovers and tricks than Robinho. Around 2006 he bulked a little, cut the bulls***, and he started his climb. C

    Dembele is much more direct than Cristiano was at that point. The question with him is can he be more efficient and coexist with other creative forces, which he seems to do with the French national team.

    I think Tuchel encouraged Dembele to try his schoolyard nonsense and take risks because of a lack of playmaker in the midfield. Sometimes it went pear shaped.
     
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  20. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For 150+ mil? Bye!!!! Got some solid young new talent, build it back up and keep adding pieces.....I'd love to see us make a grab at Iheanacho
     
  21. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  22. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He reminds me of Kobe at 19. Often selfish, he believes in himself a bit too much, but the greatness is obvious.
     
  23. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    I think Pulisic is pretty unselfish and could stand to be a little more selfish. Not like Nagbe but still.
     
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  24. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assumed he was talking about Dembele.

    Cristhian has an atypical personality on the field man. He is very cognizant of others and their role.
     
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  25. TMBMiles

    TMBMiles Member

    Dortmund
    United States
    Mar 31, 2017
    Nothing about his statistics would suggest he's too selfish tbh.

    -Pretty good take-on success rate that wouldn't suggest he's attempting too many of them
    -Shooting percentage is great for a midfielder.
    -3rd in assists per 90 in the Bundesliga
     

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