News: Civil War in Syria

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  1. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Thanks Anthony, and presumably the civilians killed by US air raids, they're also expendable? Im sure Assad would agree.

    US-led coalition killed more Syrian civilians than Isis or Russia in March, figures show

     
  2. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    You have revealed yourself to be little more than a bigot. "Let you all kill each other"
    You do understand that the people being killed, raped, murdered and tortured in Saydnaya prison are Syrians, and overwhelmingly Syrian Muslims, who died seeking their freedom? Assad troubled the refugees, NOT his victims.
     
  3. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Free Syrians didn't rise up for power or wealth, for tyrants in ties or turbans, but for freedom.

    PAINTING ON THE WALLS OF THE ABYSS

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    “Freedom… Freedom…” Words were like small sparks breaking through our lips. We cried out from the bottom of our hearts, until our throats became sore. We ran, racing against time in order to win our freedom.

    We cried out as if we were at the wedding of a long widowed homeland. We marched like a river, filling the alleys and roads. Who could not have imagined that these masses screaming for freedom from a seemingly single throat would eventually end up scattered, each thrown at a different corner of the earth or heaven?

    We had never cherished our homeland to this degree before, and never enjoyed a superhuman spectacle to this extent. Shortly after, bullets began to assail, and we felt that our feet no longer stood on the ground. Yet we felt stronger than bullets and on top of them. We were so glad that I imagined for one moment that victory is flapping its wings above us, that our land recovered from its wounds and that the voice of injustice was forever silenced.

    http://aljumhuriya.net/en/al-jumhuriya-fellowship/painting-on-the-walls-of-the-abyss
     
  4. Anthony

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    People seem to be running from ISIS and various Islamist groups as much as from Assad.
     
  5. Mani

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    Solid proof that drinking too much camel piss, as it is customary in the Wahhabi Kingdom, is not good for your mental health.

     
  6. Mani

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    When a Saudi royal and former navy chief tries debating a random Iranian analyst...This is what happens when you become a "Saudi elite" based on whose sperm you come from...

     
  7. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    The death toll shows otherwise. By the way, there's no such thing as an "Islamist" or "political Islam". Islam covers "ibaadah" (worship) as well as economics and governance.
     
  8. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    In the West, heroism is a rich celebrity making a speech. In Syria, it's people who endure a nightmare and defy Assad, Putin, Iran, ISIS and the world simply for the sake of freedom and dignity.

    Images of people breaking Ramadan fast in ruined Syrian town go viral

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ascus-syria-a7802651.html?cmpid=facebook-post
     
  9. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Great article by the Syrian activist and intellectual Yassin al-Haj Saleh.

    THE PALESTINIZATION OF SYRIANS


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    http://aljumhuriya.net/en/critical-thought/the-palestinization-of-syrians
     
  10. Anthony

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    Moishe repped this.
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    Of course Iran invented Israel so obviously this is Iran's fault.
     
  12. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Nobody said anything of the sort. In fact, Yassin Saleh and others have said that in scale and sheer brutality Assad's actions far surpass those of the 1948 Israeli Nakba. But injustice is injustice, oppression is oppression - Assad and his accomplices and supporters are selective in their application of universal human rights, why should we follow their example? If we support the same equal right to freedom, justice for all citizens of all nation, the same universal rights laid out in the UNDHR for all people. Why would Israel be an exception?
     
  13. Anthony

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    Assad and his followers are Arabs doing this to their fellow Arabs. And regardless of how brutal the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands is (and I agree it is brutal and should be ended) the main oppression and killer of Arabs and Muslims around the world today are other Arabs and Muslims. Israel is nothing more than a pretext for Arab dictators to justify their own power.

    As for Assad, he is winning right now, but can he really win? And at this point, what does "winning" mean?
     
  14. Pro-Freedom

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    #889 Pro-Freedom, Jun 28, 2017
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    Assad and his men are doing this with the full backing of the west. Look at the history of renditions of prisoners to Syria to be tortured and murdered, the intelligence ties the west maintains with Assad, Obama's backing for him, you name it. The west rapes, burns, pillages and ruins our countries, installs dictators to do the job for them when it becomes too costly, then blames us for the chaos and bloodshed that it created. YES most Arabs/Muslims are fools for letting themselves become divided.

    But, there are Arabs/Muslims with integrity in its entirety, and never give up. To claim that the current chaos in the Arab/Muslim world has nothing to do with the imperialism directed against us by the east and the west (and everyone inbetween) is really blind.

    Yes, these tyrants have utilised Israel / exploited the Palestinian cause as an excuse to keep their power and to justify brutal foreign occupation / domestic oppression, but that's not even the case anymore in many ways.The gulf countries and Israel are very close, Sisi and Israel are close, most of these tyrants themselves don't even talk about "resistance" to Israel anymore. Minus maybe Bashir, Assad , Iran and a few others. Even when they do, there's rhetoric and there's reality. They're all one when it comes to killing Arabs/Muslims though.

    Your view is highly simplistic, I'm afraid.

    But yes, there's no way Assad can "win". His army is a shell, and the "NDF" are militarily incompetent gangs of street thugs only proficient at looting. Iran has control of his country and has monopolised what military force he has left, nobody supports him, he hasn't the resources to rebuild from the chaos, and even if he retook all of Syria, his enemies would fall back to surrounding countries and wouldn't give him peace. They'd just re-emerge and keep up the fight, even if it meant guerrilla warfare. For Assad, "winning" would mean Iranian, Russian, Hezbollat and American troops controlling the entirety of the ruins of a country he only nominally leads, with his "supporters" being largely restricted to poor Alawite villagers and criminal militias that fight under his name (but answer to warlords only).

    He controls nothing anymore. There are no good choices for this insect. He's mortal, and death will find him soon.
     
  15. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Macron, who's also refused to recognise Palestinians' right to statehood, apparently supports liberté, égalité, fraternité only for Western peoples.

    Why Macron is wrong about Assad

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...tement-enemy-assad-syria-170626092305242.html
     
  16. Mani

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  18. Pro-Freedom

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    The Assad family established a rigid system of fear in Syria – and it was ready to explode. Written by the Syrian Journalist- Ameenah A. Sawwan



    Fear came with Hafez Assad

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    http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-06/syria-memories-al-assad-family-civil-war
     
  19. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    "Just you watch it Washington or we'll slaughter even more Syrian children, destroy more Syrian homes, and raze more Syrian cities, towns and villages - that'll show ya."

    Syria says response to any US attack will not be like last time

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    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-warns-allied-response-case-us-attack-2066476843
     
  20. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Assad regime air strikes against civilians in Douma today.

     
  21. Pro-Freedom

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    #896 Pro-Freedom, Jul 4, 2017
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    Just another green light for Assad, Washington finally drops the very obvious lies of 'red lines' and opposition to Assad.


    US top diplomat says Assad's fate in hands of Russia

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    US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, reportedly tells UN chief that Syria's president was a Russian issue, not American, in apparent policy shift.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-says-assads-fate-hands-russia-report-1755683404
     
  22. Anthony

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    Ultimately there is little we (America) can do here. The most successful forces we are supporting in the region are the SDF, which have a strong Kurdish element. The Kurds have their own agenda, and it probably does not end with them raising their flag in Damascus. Once Raqqa is freed from ISIS, will the SDF be willing to move against Assad? Do we really want them to?

    AT this point, the best case solution is for the SDF to win in Raqqa, and then from a position of strength be able to negotiate with other groups.

    I still believe that we (the US) should have stayed out other than assisting refugees.
     
  23. Pro-Freedom

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    #898 Pro-Freedom, Jul 5, 2017
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    The Arab tyrants all over the world lincluding Assad and Khamenei, benefit and love prolonging the misery of the Syrian people, because it sticks fear in the minds of their people, and thus their thrones.
     
  24. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    While Russia and Iran keep insisting that Assad's massively popular in Syria, for some reason both need full military occupation of the country to maintain him in power...

    Russia may deploy military in Syrian buffer zones within weeks

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-talks-idUSKBN19P21J
     
  25. Mani

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    This comment may give everyone a clue as to whose sockpupet "Pro-Freedom" really is, which also explains why he's protected by the moderators here despite being an obvious single purpose account/sock puppet that was previously banned on this same thread. No Arab would call Khamanei an "Arab". The guy is obviously not what he pretends to be and just stirring shit up, for a different agenda.
     

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