Indy NASL News

Discussion in 'Indy Eleven' started by NSmith22, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The general cheapness of this team is biting them on the ass. I'm not asking for Cosmos-esque spending, but the people in charge are clearly being tightwads with everything in the operations. How else can they let decent players walk over a couple thousand dollars, and not bother to even use their NPSL team (it's back to being Indiana Fire).

    I'm scared this team will go down the Indiana Blast route, although I doubt they'll pay scabs to wear their uniforms for road games.
     
  3. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team is very frustrating to think about right now. And I too am getting angry with the ownership. The combination of letting the playing squad slip and failing to put together a serious plan for a stadium this legislative session is maddening. What exactly was the point of making an MLS expansion bid if you're going to let the team decline?
     
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  4. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    1. get city on MLS list when it's still possible to get on MLS list for next round of expansion.
    2. hope someone with $250M comes along and wants to invest in an MLS team in indy.
    3. sell club or majority interest in club to said investor to recoup money lost over first X years.

    what was the downside to submitting a bid? upsetting STH who already bought their STs?
     
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  5. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No downside to submitting the bid per se. But the bid suggested a seriousness of purpose that had been belied by virtually everything since. Short of air say or the zsimonsnsteppimg in, its gettttimg harder to see a future for this club.
     
  6. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's about time for Ersal to sell the team.

    He put in the foundation but it's clear that he doesn't want to go beyond that.
     
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  7. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words, he's proved to be a pretty lousy builder.
     
  8. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    you might say he started building the club but never got around to setting the keystone in place.
     
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  9. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    I do not think that it is coincidence that now that we have had some time together healthy we are starting to win.
     
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  10. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A few days after the Puerto Rico match that cemented our last place finish, I actually got an audience with somebody at the office about 2018 and kept my freak flag hidden (as in "USL, PLEASE!") while asking about season tickets.

    They were very confident about playing next year, which is good. The part I'm uncomfortable with is that I feel the percentages are 85% to 15% that they will join NISA instead of USL.
     
  11. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Going with NISA would make sense with a lot of rumors that Indy 11 is under financed.
     
  12. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But therein lies a problem. If they are under financed, what advantage does NISA have?

    Sure, lower standards mean lower overhead, but let's say NISA doesn't get Detroit & Chattanooga. Our nearest rival would be either New York (if they choose the downgrade) or Hartford. Even if the team exclusively busses to opponents, that's not cheap.

    USL may not have the low overhead that a frugal franchise desires, but having a regional cluster would help with travel costs, which I believe eat a budget more than anything.
     
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  13. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This. Last year, I was not at all enthusiastic about the prospect of joining USL (and there are things about USL that I still don't like, principally the involvement of MLS reserve teams). But the reduced travel expenses and the prospect of regional rivalries are distinct pluses, things that Indy could use to reduce expenses and increase revenue.
     
  14. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But the USL expansion fee is so much more than NISA that it’s more than any additional travel.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You get what you pay for.

    It’s not strictly a math problem.
     
  16. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    i haven't been following the news or updates on the team since the season ended. after reading these posts, i have to wonder what ozdemir's plan was from the beginning. surely he wasn't counting on the city/state to build a stadium for him, right? as a guy with connections, you'd think he would have known that was unlikely. was he hoping some real money would come in to behind him to get him to mls? looking back at all the money he must have spent and seeing where the team is now, it really makes me think "what was the point?"
     
  17. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, I think Ersal looked at NASL as a budget MLS, with the hopes that he'd have MLS quality clubs coming here without the whole financial pratfalls.

    Again, I don't want this to become the Indiana Blast all over again. USL may not be cheap to get in, but it should provide long term sustaining. Its easy to prop up losing clubs if you give fans regional rivalries. I mean, the Indy Fuel has constantly been at the bottom of the standings since they were created yet are one of the few profitable franchises in the ECHL, and hockey has much higher costs than soccer.

    Even if the Eleven suck, the local rivalries would make me go for how fun the day would be.
     
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  18. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With USL announcing a Chicago team that's one more close rival for Indy to add to Cincy, Louisville, St Louis and even Nashville isn't too far.
     
  19. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    So Indy will have a new coach next year (assuming the team plays in some league or other).

    I can't say I'm surprised. Hankinson's coaching history prior to joining Indy suggested that he did not wear well with players, that he could have some initial success, but it would not carry over into subsequent seasons. And that proved to be the case here in 2017. The problem wasn't just that the team lost. It was that, for the most part, they played without any spark, without any desire. I've followed losing teams that I didn't mind supporting because, even if they stank, they at least played as if they cared. Too many times this year, that could not be said of Indy.
     
  20. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    shockingly, indy wasn't chosen as one of 4 finalists for the next 2 mls spots. sacramento, nashville, cinci, and detroit are the 4.
     
  21. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS ain't happening; just try the next best thing. Especially with Cincinnati & Sacramento potentially leaving, the USL will need marquee teams of its own.

    Indy clearly can support minor league teams, unlike San Francisco, but it all boils down to Ersal thinking with his head or his heart.

    I'm worried that, like my late mother, he will instinctively think with his heart instead of looking at facts.
     
  22. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blown opportunity in a sense, but also one that Ersal was not in a position to seize.
     
  23. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today is the last day the Indy Eleven's store is open at the Broad Ripple Boondoggle, and from 5-7 PM tonight, the ownership will be there.

    I may ask them what they think about the news and if they have a contingency plan should the lawsuit decision not go NASL's way.
     
  25. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish I could get there, if the top brass is going to be there. I hope you get to ask some questions.
     

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