By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
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    CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

    By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
    Taking US and Mexico’s results so far in a complete vacuum, Mexico has triumphed. They win the series four points to one, thanks to breaking the Columbus streak. Barring some truly nutty results, they will almost certainly win the Hexagonal outright for the first time in twenty years (assuming anyone cares) and qualify for the 2018 World Cup long before we do.

    But I still think the only reason Juan Carlos Osorio has a job is because Mexico won a game he didn’t even coach. It was interim coach Tuca Ferretti who beat the US in the Rose Bowl (as usual) (call it Azteca del Norte) in 2015 to qualify for this year’s Confederations Cup. It would have been awkward to put in a new coach hours before the Confederation Cup, after all. And who knows, Mexico has won the thing before, right?

    I do remember the last time Mexico drew at home in a World Cup qualifier against the United States, back in 2013, they decided not to fire the coach. But they should have, since a few months later Mexico actually lost in the Azteca. It took Graham Zusi to rescue Mexico’s chances, in a tale now slightly more than twice told. Since then, Mexico has restored order. Sure, they’re burdened with one of the worst coaches in New York Red Bulls history, but that’s nothing new for them. They survived Bora Milutinovic, after all.

    But you can’t deny that Mexico/US is one of the most intense, unforgiving, merciless rivalries in the world, with never a hint of JERMAINE WHAT ARE YOU DOING

    FINE, Gio’s your teammate. And nothing is more unbreakable than the bond between players who have been teammates for less than six damned months. What’s with the Chicharito jersey, then?

    This is SUPPOSED to be a RIVALRY. If my own son played for Mexico, I’d…well, actually, I’m pretty sure he’s not eligible. Unless Maury has a big surprise for me. Has FIFA ruled on this kind of eligibility issue? What is the protocol when your birth certificate says Dos a Cero, but your paternity test says Pancho Villa’s Army?

    Change the subject? What a fine idea!

    Has Christian Pulisic given any refunds on his guarantee yet? He guaranteed us a win, not a miserable little point. I think Mexico did us a huge favor by keeping him off the scoresheet, and let me tell you why. Fortunately, he wasn’t humiliated in the Azteca, but he didn’t get a hat trick either. I’m not worried about the effect of hype on Pulisic – he starts in the Bundesliga these days, after all, so he’ll either retain a little humility or turn into Juergen Klinsmann the player, obviating concerns about hype.

    I’m thinking more for our own sakes. For at least twenty years now, American fans have believed in the imminent arrival of a soccer Messiah. Freddy Adu is probably the most prominent example of a failed deliverer, but the hype is obviously such that living up to it is impossible. If Pulisic were exempt from ridiculous expectations from our ridiculous fanbase, that would probably be a bigger miracle than if he actually fulfilled them.

    The enormity of the fantasies we have towards players like this keeps us from actually appreciating them. We don’t have anything like the track record of success that would allow us to call players like Claudio Reyna and Landon Donovan disappointments, but that isn’t going to stop us. Even Bruce Arena compared Pulisic to Donovan back in March, like the Record did before the qualifier – and in both cases, a sizeable chunk of our fanbase was offended on Pulisic’s behalf.

    Dylan Hernandez is the LA Dodgers beat writer, not the LA Galaxy beat writer, but that’s still a strange position to take. In my opinion.

    Of course, we’re not the only fans to do this. This is what ESPN did to a Lakers draft pick today: LONZO BALL HAS A LONG WAY TO LIVE UP TO MAGIC JOHNSON.

    For those of you who don't follow basketball, and may not have heard of the player - Magic Johnson was a multi-position All-American from Michigan State who was drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers in....oh, you've heard of him.

    But in ESPN’s tiny defense, there’s money in hot-taking ginned-up controversies like this for major sports (so, was Harold Miner the new Michael Jordan or not?). No one is getting clicks or ratings from us building up and tearing down our own sandcastles.

    Speaking of players we got excited about as youth stars but failed to live up to insane expectations despite an objectively successful career - man, wasn’t Michael Bradley’s goal just the tastiest thing you ever saw? That’s the third best US goal I’ve ever seen – just behind Caligiuri’s Shot Heard Round the World and Feilhaber’s Gold Cup 2007 masterpiece. Caligiuri and Feilhaber weren’t gifted their opportunities due to opponent dunderheadedness, which puts those two ahead on aesthetics.

    Feilhaber was a potential messiah, naturally. Bradley was, too, based on his Heerenveen goalscoring madness in 2007/2008. He was even a teenager when he did it. Bradley’s going to be thirty next month, and he’s been getting caps since 2006. We can talk about whether Dempsey or Pulisic will own Donovan’s goalscoring record before it’s all over, but it might not be too soon to wonder whether Bradley will catch Cobi Jones. (Bradley needs 31 caps to tie, and 32 to pass, Cobi Jones’ record of 164. Kristine Lilly is probably safe, though.)

    Caligiuri would have been a potential messiah, except that wasn’t yet a thing in 1989.

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    And, sure enough, San Diego voted to delay their soccer stadium vote until after next round of MLS expansion teams are named.

    San Diego remains eligible for spots 27 and 28…well, unless the stadium vote flops at the ballot box in November 2018. Unless Don Garber and MLS owners are so heavily invested in San Diego as a necessary expansion team that they decide to delay expansion announcements, or grant the franchise on a conditional basis like they did with Miami.

    Which I’m not seeing. Sacramento and Tampa Bay have pretty much jumped through the hoops they’ve needed to. Cincinnati and San Antonio are nearly there. All four of those cities would have instant rivalries with existing MLS teams. And we can even throw in Phoenix or Nashville, if we simply let go of the David Beckham dream. Yeah, Phoenix might melt, but Miami might sink into the Atlantic, too, so it all balances out.

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    RIP Tony DiCicco 1948-2017
     
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Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Jun 23, 2017.

    1. Anthony

      Anthony Member+

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      CP The one.jpg
      Pulisic is the One!
       
    2. Lukato

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      The thing is, no one except USMNT and american born Mexico fans care about the "rivalry".
      Fans south of the border? They don't care.
      Mexican media? They don't talk about it.
      Mexican players? Probably more worried about not getting injured so they can go back to their European teams.
      US players? Some of them care (dual nationals probably care a lot less)

      Is all a US fanbases thing, Is not a big rivalry anywhere else, no one outside of the US claims it is one of the big rivalries in the world, It is something more comparable to a Japan v South Korea or Australia v New Zealand than Brazil v Argentina. I know that americans are news to the game but they had to stop forcing "rivalries".
       
    3. Puro_Sinaloa

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      No seas mamon. People do care
       
    4. Lukato

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      en donde? en Mexico a nadie le importa un pepino.
       
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    5. Mr. P Mosh

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      We do. When we have a match agaisnt them.

      Aside from that, nobody cares about them, nor any other NT. I bet even so called "football" fans in Mexico would not be able to name more than 3 of their players. Bradley, Dempsey and maybe Howard. If they somehow follow the BL (which also is rare, since most are into Real/Barza) they'd know Pulisic. But those would be the younger ones, if so.
       
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    6. Dan Loney

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Landon Donovan did commercials in Mexico before he did them in the United States, though.
       
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    7. Mr. P Mosh

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Landon Donovan is more an exception than the rule. He had charisma and a big mouth, but he had the skills to back it up. We love "villians", and he was the perfect one. The rest of your team is "meh" at most for us, when it comes to personality. But the truth is we don't even know them. Maybe the one that is closer in terms of being know here, is Bradley.

      I could say Donovan is very respected, even if hated, in Mexico.
       
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    8. Beau Dure

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Your kids will be eligible to represent Mexico when we all flee there as refugees.
       
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    9. Dan Loney

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      That, or the Second California Republic.
       
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    10. westcoast ape

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      I don't think anyone would say it is on par with Brazil v Argentina...but, really, what rivalry is on par with that?

      The Europeans have a number of historic issues that make them interesting, but who is England's biggest rival? France? Germany?

      England v. Scotland has the history, but not the talent. England v. France and England v. Germany are also full of some natural resentment, but try picking one over the other.

      German v. Netherlands is interesting, but more for a couple of close calls in past World Cups and, of course, WWII.

      The US and Mexico have a different relationship, in that they play each other somewhat often and there is no other team that they play against that have any real claims on their passions.

      The point about fans of one team being barely familiar with the players of the opposing team is, I think, hardly relevant to the issue. There is a limit to how much soccer any one person can watch. I don't expect that fans of the Mexican team are highly interested in learning the propensities of certain US players and therefore watch MLS. Some Europeans and South Americans might be more familiar with, say, Germany's team, or Argentina's team, but only because many of those players are in Champions League (or other leagues with very high viewership).
       
    11. Mr. P Mosh

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      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      The thing is, we don't really feel that same "rivalry" down here in Mexico.

      We want to beat you every time we face? Of course.
      We hate you? Not really.
      Aside from the matches we ever think of the US team? Nah.

      I'd say, from a Mexican born and raised and living in Mexico, the matches against Honduras and El Salvador awake more animosity, mostly from their side but it's kinda requitted.

      We don't live that "passion" in this rivaly as you might think, it's mostly a US fans vs Mexican Americans/Mexicans in the US thing.
       
    12. MalboroDude

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      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      ^ Yep.

      A rivalry created in Greengoland to add some spice to the bland sawker culture in there that Mexican'merikans bought and then years later the Mexican media has tried use for $$$ with not much success as historically speaking there's always been more fire with Costa Rica due to their sawker level, and with El Salvador and Honduras since they hate and dream of beating Mexico. And when greengos use their experiences at Azteca as proof of this "rivalry", the truth is that no team and no country is welcomed at the Azteca. Part of the thing between Mexico and unitedstatians is political.
       
    13. Moooooose

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      4th best - Donovan's Algeria goal......
       
    14. It's called FOOTBALL

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      2nd California Republic or yall can finally unoccupy our turf, breh. You're lucky you get to cap Mexicans because yall overstay your welcome.

      Is your title a throwback to Salt and Pepa. You need to add "baby" so the 90s kids can get it. Then you coulda added pics so **********s can decide who was more smashable. I preferred the tall one, imagine them legs wrapped around you. Then you'd've had yourself a little Jermaine Jones... who'd also be wearin a Mexico shirt
       
    15. calvegas04

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      lol so many butt hurt mexico fans in here
       
    16. It's called FOOTBALL

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      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Donde? No hay nada de eso aqui
       
    17. The_Dude

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      The thing is, no one outside of Mexico cares about Mexican soccer except to laugh at them when they embarrass themselves on the international stage.
       
    18. The_Dude

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      1st best is and always will be Clint* vs. South Korea and a close 2nd Donovan vs. Brazil.

      *HIs goal quite literally silenced 50 million people. An entire nation.
       
    19. The_Dude

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      The not caring about the US thing is most-likely a defense mechanism designed to shield the Mexican psyche from somehow not only not being able to dominate their northern neighbors despite the sport's being an afterthought in the US while it's a national past time in Mexico, but also not even winning most of the time.
       
    20. Beau Dure

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Doesn't BigSoccer literally have giant forums devoted to Mexican fans hating on the USA and vice versa? Or did it all die out with some redesign?
       
    21. The_Dude

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      CONCACAF - Let's Talk About Mex

      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Maybe don't put a keg and party tent on your lawn and set fireworks off if you are gonna tell kids to stay off it.

      The title of this article is literally: let's talk about Mex.
       
    22. It's called FOOTBALL

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      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Read my sig. Mexico has dominated the usmnt since 2009. And it isn't a northern neighbor thing, we occupy the same space, more Americans are Mexico fans than usmnt fans.

      Check your facts, kid. We own you.
       
    23. The_Dude

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      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      Oh cool man, on your advice, I went ahead and checked my facts.

      You're 2-1-2 in your last five*, lost to a Jurgen Klinsmann coached team, and haven't won at your own stadium since 2010. Sounds really, really dominant.

      *you need to update your sig.
       
    24. Mr. P Mosh

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      By Dan Loney on Jun 23, 2017 at 5:05 PM
      LOL. No.

      Now you gonna tell what should we care about down here?

      Mexicans only care about Liga MX and the Mexican NT. That's it. We sometimes (and just sometimes) pay attention to European footie, but just the important matches.

      Even if somehow the US had 5 WC, we would still only talk about our clubs or our NT in our day by day.
       
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