The things we hear returns

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Law5, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Came close a couple of weeks ago. Player in own half offside came back for a ball that was played over the top but didnt get to him because of wind. He was easily 10 yds back in his own half when a defender ticked it right before he got to it. I was AR1 and was prepared for a coach to go nuts with a restart that deep. And by prepared I mean I really really really looked forward to it. It would have made my day. It doesn't take much to make me happy.
     
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  2. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Had a new one yesterday. Final HS match of the year - JV girls from two smaller school. A visitor player has a ball coming toward from some distance. She has her arms across her chest in order to protect it. She twisted to the left to play the ball off her right arm. I blew the whistle; the coach was very upset. "They haven't called that on us all year. They changed the rule so you could protect yourself."
    "No, coach, they haven't changed that rule. She turned to play the ball."
    AR2 to me: "Thanks for the warning. I'll make sure to look for that in the Varsity game!"
     
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  3. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    How are you signaling it?
     
  4. Bradley Smith

    Bradley Smith Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    I've had about 10 so far. The craziest one was actually the first one. A player in an offside position (a yard into the attacking half) came about 25-30 yards back to challenge an opponent for the ball. The resulting indirect free kick was close enough that the player taking the kick tapped the ball sideways to a teammate who took a shot on goal. And scored. Let's just say the coach — who was not convinced about the rule in the first place — was now significantly more upset.
     
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  5. tomek75

    tomek75 Member+

    Aug 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just like any other offside call. However I don't make the players put the ball on the spot of the infraction. I let them play.
     
  6. Bio-Hazard

    Bio-Hazard Member

    Jun 15, 2015
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have had this happen in a USASA game. Raised the flag, signaled location as always, but then pointed (left hand is free as I lower my flag) while looking at the Referee to the spot of the restart. Then flag back to the left hand. The Referee understood what I meant.
     
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  7. The Royal We

    The Royal We Member

    Aug 2, 2012
    ...what we don't hear. AR2 on a u12G game. It's been a while since lines were painted, apparently, and also have had some recent rains. The (yellow) lines are a rumor. I am right on top of what remains of the lines and have to use quite a bit of judgment myself. Surprisingly, and pleasantly, no disputes or complaining about any in-or-out of touch calls from either the players or the spectators. Had a defender save a ball right on the goal line too, a call which was not disputed. Funny how the lack of lines removed the b*tching dymanic, for this match at least.
     
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  8. MrSangster

    MrSangster Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Duxbury,MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pre-game check in and I am inspecting a BU17 team. The coach asks me,

    "Are we going to play that new offside rule?", he asks
    "What rule is that coach?", I reply
    "You know, the one with deflections and trying to play the ball on offsides calls and stuff?"
    " Coach, yes, we are going to play and apply the current rules of the game....."

    The coach admitted to me that he didn't really know or understand the current offsides law. For that matter, neither did the parents have any understanding of any of the match laws. This team had the most obnoxious fans of any team this weekend. Their team was fouled every challenge ("his hand was on his back"), their team NEVER had a foul " Call it both ways ref" after a two arm shove), every ball that went out was their throw in ( No, that's our throw, what game are you watching?").

    Good thing they weren't biased.....
     
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  9. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Had a funny one this weekend regarding handball. Player takes a long switch into the box and acrobatically attempts to bring the ball down, twisting in the air. As he's landing, the ball bounces up and hits his arm that was in no way intentional. Parents scream for handball. Center and I both communicate play on.

    Parent 1: That's a handball! The ball bounced up and hit his hand!
    Me (I don't normally respond, but couldn't resist): That is literally the definition of ball-to-hand. The ball bounced up and hit his hand.
    Parent 1: I don't need your excuses. I need you to make the call.
    I shut up and return to the game.

    Run up the line to have another parent chime in.
    Parent 2: Handball?
    Me: Ball to hand
    Parent 2: So, handball?
     
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  10. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    The only thing that I have found useful to say to fans regarding "handball" is "It's not a foul if it's not deliberate. That wasn't deliberate, so no foul." More often than not, what I get back is "Really? I didn't know that."
     
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  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I know I've posted this before, but when doing young games, when there is non-deliberate hand/arm contact, I've gotten into the habit of simply calling out "Not deliberate, keep playing." It make clear I saw it and that I decided it wasn't deliberate --- plus the side benefit of perhaps educating a few people in process.
     
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  12. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    U16 girls game tonight. Home team dominating several goals to nil. Offside call against home side. Away team setting up for IFK, kicker yells "First to blue! It's a 50/50 ball!". You know you're getting hammered when you consider your own free kicks to be 50/50 balls.
     
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  13. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Couple days ago. watching a team play involving my old club BU13. Keeper shepherded a ball over the goal line a the opposing team clearly last touched it. Goal kick. Keeper picks the ball up and puts it down for the kick. Parents thought the ball was live (clearly thinking the ball didnt go out of play) Ref didnt indicate anything but parents encouraged the now out of possession team to charge the ball. Ref cleared it out indicate GK and we are off.

    Dad of the goalkeeper: It's a goal kick! (to the parents) Let the ref(eree) ref! Let him ref.

    Few minutes later, call didnt go to Dad's team.

    Dad: Come on ref. You gotta call that!!!

    :eek:
     
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  14. dadman

    dadman Yo soy un papa

    DC United
    United States
    Apr 13, 2001
    Reston, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do as I say, not as I do.

    He's a dad: It's in the DNA. ;)
     
  15. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Unfortunately I had to explain to my two young ARs earlier this year the definition of deliberate. Shot on goal in a U12 game and a defender put her hands up to cover her face. The ball smacked her hands and BOTH ARs raised their flags. The girl in NO WAY played the ball with her hands, just protected her face. A few seconds later the ball goes out for a goal kick. I went to AR2 at that end and asked what he saw. He said her hands were deliberately in an unnatural position when the ball hit them. Oof.
     
  16. meyers

    meyers Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    W. Mass
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doing a U16 girls a couple weeks ago. Red team was pretty good (10 players showed up), the white team, not so much (14 players showed up). Red team dominated.

    Almost every time there was a goal kick for white (and there were a lot because Red had so many shots), the white GK would yell at her teammates, "Move, get open for me!" None of her teammates would move and she would kick the ball straight to the other team. I guess they had figured out there was no point in running around if she was gonna end up kicking it to the other team anyway. :unsure:
     
  17. NW Referee

    NW Referee Member

    Jun 25, 2008
    Washington
    #2692 NW Referee, Jun 3, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2017
    When I get a chance to AR on the parents side of the field. I usually enjoy it.

    Referee calls handling against the white team (good call).

    Parent says: "It's not handling, it hit her elbow" Went on to pronounce that since she didn't use her hand then it couldn't be called handling. And she was dead serious. o_O
     
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  18. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    You're a better man than I if you can let that go. I inevitably go into teaching mode at that point.
     
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  19. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. Bio-Hazard

    Bio-Hazard Member

    Jun 15, 2015
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Why is it you start losing your sense of soccer when you start losing your hair?"

    That 18 year old kid has a BIG surprise coming.
     
  21. camconcay

    camconcay Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Feb 17, 2011
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    State Cup U15G final, I was AR1 - first call of the match, about 3 minutes in coach of red who foul was called against "That's OK ref, that's OK - I have confidence in you I know you'll recover from that" not overly loud, 4O handled it perfectly.

    Red was down 0-2 early and on their heels, first half ends with probably 80% possession to black. About midway of the second half after coach clearly not happy with - well - anything, especially the referee, 4O back over to have a word and as coach returns to his bench he mutters "I was wrong, he never did recover". Thought it was a funny quip the first time and then he remembered it for the follow up.
     
  22. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds to me like it was his team that never recovered.
     
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  23. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Nonaffiliated tournament.

    U12B, I am AR2. Play is in front of me, but on the far side of the field. As the ball is cleared, someone behind me said, " at least this referee didn't ignore you like the other one did." I have no idea what was said before that, as I was apparently ignoring the people behind me.

    Same tournament, the day before, I am solo on a U6 game. I have not done U6 since my first year. When the ball goes toward Team A's bench, a member of Team A comes off the bench, runs onto the field, and kicks the ball toward the goal. Letting the coach know that I am not serious, but using this as a teaching moment, I pull out the yellow card. The coach laughs and agrees with that. He then tries to explain to the child that you cannot come off the bench and play on the field until it is his turn.

    When Team A scores, this same child is subbed in. When I blow the whistle for kick off, he runs into the circle and tries to play the ball before Team B can. I stopped play and try to explain to the child he cannot do that. This child goes on to do that two more times! His own coach, with a big grin on his face, said, "give him his second yellow for persistent infringement, Ref!"

    There is no way in heck I was going to give a second yellow and subsequent red to the U6 player.
     
  24. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    "A high kick, that's dangerous play, that's definitely a card." o_O
     
  25. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who the hell has U6 kids playing in a tournament?!?
     
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