Asood Al Rafidayn Thread 2017 edition (R)

Discussion in 'Iraq' started by Suren01, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Ali Hadi supporting Shnaishel



     
  2. iraqiwarrior

    iraqiwarrior Member

    Mar 25, 2016
    Why do you guys think that Radhi achieved something by replacing the likes of ali rehema, salam shaker, and younis mahmoud. Younis was our goal scorer, keeping him and his expertise in the squad would of helped the team by 10 folds. Go back to our matches and see our substitutes, all were trash. If we had experience on the bench I would bet that we would of never lost saudi game and we would of tied against japan.

    We will never get rid of the problem until we pull it out from the roots. We need a new FA, that will improve our leagues, make soccer schools, and more. We have a ton of talent in Iraq but instead the money goes down the pockets of the corrupt FA
     
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  3. Ereshkigal

    Ereshkigal Member

    Jan 25, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    The problem isn't with Muhannad or Hammadi. The problems is with the tactics deployed. Hoofballing the ball to the likes of Ronaldo rarely works, do you think it will work for our players?

    We really need to stop the long balls, for me that one offense is enough to sack Radhi. He never tried to teach the team to build attacks properly and game after game he relied on long balls. This is not how a national team plays. I'm not saying we should play fancy tiki taka, all I'm saying is that we should have a cohesive strategy for building up attacks.
     
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  4. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    You already said you don't follow the Iraqi team so I'm not sure what you're basing any of your points on.

    Australia is weak. Just because they won the asian cup 2 years ago doesn't mean they are good. This is the same team that struggled massively to earn a point against Thailand who got swept away by everyone else in this group.

    We don't qualify for the world cup because of many different reasons, but talent is not one of them.

    If you don't understand the situation, don't comment.
     
  5. Rol9

    Rol9 New Member

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Apr 16, 2017
    "Australia is weak" still in contention for a place in the World Cup and Asia cup holders and qualified for 2006, 2010 and 2014. And the Roos will qualify and play in Russia.

    Iraq only beaten the Socceroos twice and you paint them as one of teh top teams in the world

    Cannot believe anyone on here believes anything you said. Face it your recent results are the best its going to get for your team.

    "We don't qualify for the world cup because of many different reasons, but talent is not one of them." - yes because all your talent is playing in the best leagues in the world, England, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Holland. Can't see any top sides in Europe or even Asian teams signing Iraqi players.

    I only watched Iraq's recent games in Perth and in Tehran and your obviously deluded if you think you can qualify with results of 10 or even 15-20 years an indication that your position has not changed in world or asia football. Iraq is not even at the level of Japan, Saudi Arabia and Australia

    "If you don't understand the situation, don't comment." - should read don't comment because your making my arguments look weak. What has Iraq done in asian football, you dont even play in the top club competition the AFC Champions League and your team is 'a joke' as you say about the other group teams in the World Cup group.

    When you beat some decent teams then maybe Iraq will qualify for the World Cup but til then keep dreaming
     
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  6. iraqiwarrior

    iraqiwarrior Member

    Mar 25, 2016
    Ali Adnan, dirgham ismael, Ali Faez, Ahmed Yasin, Saad AbdulAmir, Justin Meram, Brwa Nouri, Yaser Kasim, Osama Rashid, and a couple more. All I am implementing is that talent is not the problem. If you do your own research you would easily find out but let me give you a hint HOME MATCHES.
     
  7. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    If Australia is weak, then what are we? And don't tell me it's Radhi's fault that we didn't beat them. We lost to them under Hamad, Sidka, Zico, Petrovic too.

    Just think about what you say and give them some respect. Australia is a top team in Asia, along with Japan South Korea and Iran. At the moment we are lagging behind those countries, in terms of infrastructure, league, youth development and it shows in the NT.
     
  8. Yas-The-Gunner

    Aug 2, 2006
    London
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    I think we undoubtedly made an improvement under Radhi, I don't see how that can be argued at all. Before Radhi we barely beat Taiwan and almost lost to Vietnam and Thailand, and even Jordan thrashed us 3-0 in a friendly and Japan 4-0. Under Radhi, we beat Thailand 4-0, deserved at least a point away against Japan (referee gave Japan a clear offside goal and their last goal was the last kick of the match that came from a contentious free kick), deserved to beat Saudi (referee gave the softest penalty ever and Saad Natiq made a stupid error), and we took a point from Australia in our "home" game (not being able to play in Iraq is a huge disadvantage) where we could have won.

    Definitely we were still fragile in the fact that even when we deserved to win we couldn't get it done, but things like the referee and Saad Natiq randomly slide tackling someone in our own box are not in Radhi's control. Even the away games against Australia, UAE and Saudi where we played very poor, it's not like we got embarrassed. The biggest defeat was 2-0. Although it is true that Australia and Japan are definitely weaker than they were a few years ago, and our style of play was often dull and unadventurous.

    Radhi made some really strange and unforgivable decisions. Retiring Younis was the first, he could have been a great influence on the team, even from the bench. Instead Radhi went with all young players and the only experience was Gassid (sub keeper) and Alaa (awful and shouldn't have been in the team). Refusing to call up Brwa Nouri and Osama Rashid when Amjad Attwan was getting bullied in midfield every match was another mistake. Sticking with Alaa Abdul-Zahra behind the striker every match when he was invisible instead of playing someone like Hammadi or even Justin was pointless. And that lineup in the first game against Australia where we played Ali Abbas in central midfield and Justin up front was just bizarre.

    I personally wanted to see Radhi at least finish the last 3 games because I saw signs of progress and I don't like to see managers always going in and out. Radhi didn't do great, especially with our style of football, but our results in these qualifiers are pretty much what we expected them to be. I don't mind him getting sacked as long as there is a suitable replacement, but I really don't trust our FA to find the right man. Walter Zenga seems to have achieved nothing in his managing career and he's supposedly the favourite.
     
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  9. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Couldn't have said it better Yaseen. Iraq will only go downhill now that we forced out our only aspect of stability.

    I'm not saying Radhi was a perfect coach, because he had his flaws but any coach had it, from Adnan Hamad to Zico. And it's ridiculous to state that Radhi is the one to blame for our recent results. He was building a new team, and it was working. We were grouped with teams all ranked higher than us, and with a little bit more luck we could have been in a better position.

    I don't mind who will be the coach because I know that he won't do anything for us (only keeping the FA at their seats). Soon the Iraqi fans will understand where the problem lies.
     
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  10. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    IFA will soon start negotiations with Gabriel Calderon, former Saudi Arabia and Bahrain coach.

    I think he will be a good choice for Iraq. He is known to depend on young players and fitness, willing to stay in Iraq, and he has achievements (Qualified Saudi Arabia to the 2006 FIFA World Cup)
     
  11. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm not going to bother going into all of the nonsense you are talking. You just want to take my arguments out of context and make yourself feel better.

    Again, you clearly don't understand anything about out team. It's ok though, I'm used to idiots thinking they are smarter than they are.
     
  12. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    We've been going downhill. Doesn't matter if it's Radhi or someone else, results are the same.

    What's truly ridiculous is comparing results from different years to now. Australia today is not Australia from 5 years ago. Same for Japan, and the rest in our group.

    Funny that you are happy we were kind of competitive with teams ranked higher than us, but before you always say that ranking doesn't matter.

    There was nothing on the pitch to show that anything was improving. Players who were usually solid were making basic mistakes, players couldn't string two passes together. This is progress? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

    It's a shame that some fans are satisfied with this level. Radhi and those like him brought us to a point where we are like any tiny useless asian team.

    I don't care if we lose, but I want to lose with dignity, not like the disgrace we saw with Radhi, who is so shameless and never takes blame for anything.
     
  13. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    I have only 1 thing left to say, Lambo because I've been repeating myself for ages now:

    Watch and you'll see. Within one year the same results will show up and we'll be looking for a new coach. What will you say then? What would be your response?

    Soon you will get to understand why we are declining. And you will find out that it has nothing to do with the coach.
     
  14. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq


    Interview with Shnaishel:

    • He won't ever coach in Iraq again
    • He stated that our league is weak and there is a lot of corruption in the whole environment
    • He says that the Iraqi media is causing trouble
    He deserves better than this, and I sincerely hope that he finds a club in the Gulf where he can enjoy a good career.
     
  15. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    And I am repeating myself as well.

    I know we will not improve. We won't go to the world cup until the expanded version in 2026.

    I know very well what the reasons are and you are wrong to say that the coach is blameless or can't change anything. I'm sorry, but that is absolute nonsense.

    You ignore all of my points and go back to the same baseless argument that the coach is not the problem.

    Tell me which of the coaches that we've had over the past decade was proven and skilled? Nobody but Zico. Since he resigned we have had Hakeem Shakir, Radhi, Alwan, Akram Salman, Radhi again. Not one of those guys deserves to coach a team at a high professional level. Radhi get kicked out of Qatar for being so inept before he came to the national team.

    We keep hiring losers, that's why the team plays so bad on the field and why any competent manager can expose us.

    When we do get a good coach, the FA doesn't let him work so he leaves. That's the endless cycle we are struggling with and keeping Radhi was not going to help us improve because Radhi does not know how to manage a national team.

    A proper coach with the same support that Radhi has had would absolutely do better than him.

    We need a coach who knows how to organise the team, who won't let his ego get in the way of call ups, and knows how to change a game with tactics and substitutions. Would also be nice to have a coach who has some honor and takes responsibility instead of blaming everyone around him whenever something goes wrong.

    The coach is one problem. The FA is another. Both go together. The coaches are amateurs at best and the FA is hiring them.

    I am NOT saying that the coach is the only problem, so it would be nice if you could stop arguing as if this is my point.

    I can make an endless list of the problems in Iraqi football, but you have to pick your battles. A great coach makes up for deficiencies in other areas.

    That's all I have to say. My points and arguments are clear.
     
  16. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    It's funny that you keep mentioning Zico. What did he do for us? Zico gave us a bad start in the final round of WCQ's.. We got 5 points out of 15, from Jordan and Oman. Do you consider that as achievement?

    Things out of control of the coach:

    • Yaser Kasim deciding last minute that he doesn't want to play for the NT. This gave us a gap in the midfield, with proper options available.
    • Players that ran out of gas in the final minutes. This is due to the amateurish standards and lack of proper fitness training in our league.
    • Saad Natiq deciding to make a stupid foul in the last minutes of the KSA game.
    • Ref deciding to give a penalty for a soft foul in the KSA game.
    • Linesman allowing an offside goal in the Japan game
    If these kind of things didn't happen, there is a good chance everyone in Iraq would be a fan of Shnaishel. You get my point?
     
  17. Iraqipower

    Iraqipower Member

    Oct 20, 2015
    Honestly, the teams in our group are not much better in quality to us, possibly even. Im going to to admit I didn't like Rahdi one bit, but that being said a coach every few months isn't going to do us any good with this FA. We need to get rid of the FA and just start with a whole rebuild. The issue with the rebuild is that even with a new FA is that our fan base and media will still blame losses on the coach and the cycle continues. Id love for us to get a rebuild going end up top of Asia, i want to witness us qualify for a WC and win another Asian Cup. The Toronto Maple Leafs have been terrible for as long as i can remember watching them. They hired a new coach before the start of last season and he said that he would start from scratch and rebuild, and he said it would take 2-3 years for them to be contenders for playoffs. First year they ended in last, this season they weren't looking like a playoff standard team either, but this rookie team surprised everyone and made the playoffs. Man if the Leafs can do it so can we. We just need to start asap. Might as well start it now since we're already out of the WC
     
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  18. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I get your point, I just think it's wrong. I don't have anything to add to my statements. Everything you are talking about, I already argued.
     
  19. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    The only thing that makes me happy is that we will probably play in Iraq soon again, and I have a good feeling about the FA elections next year. Here's hoping that Younis or Ahmed Radhi can take over and clean up the mess. We need a professional environment before we can see real progress in the NT.
     
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  20. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    No argument from me here my friend.

    Hopefully we can get something new in the FA with the next elections. Current system is a disgrace.
     
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  21. Yas-The-Gunner

    Aug 2, 2006
    London
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    When I say progress, I'm talking about from the first round of qualifiers. We wouldn't have beaten Taiwan if it wasn't for Younis going past 3 players to set up the first goal and then scoring an unbelievable free kick to make it 2-0. We would have lost to Vietnam if Younis didn't win us a penalty and score it in the last seconds of the game. We would have lost to Thailand if they did not score an own goal in the last minute. And even before the first round, we got embarrassed by Japan and Jordan 4-0 and 3-0.

    So I think it's a fact that we have progressed from that awful period even without Younis. Not that our level under Radhi was acceptable, but there were definitely positives to take from it. Even though Japan and Australia have regressed, we would not be able to give them a challenge under Hakeem Shaker, Yahya Alwan, Akram Salman etc. I wouldn't say Radhi was disgraceful or embarrassing or anything like that, he was just inept when it came to the team selections and tactics, like all Iraqi managers unfortunately. Even Abdul-Ghani Shahad who many people want to take the job, remember how he completely killed our South Africa game in Rio by taking off Husni and Adnan when they were the two best and most threatening players. We probably would have won without that senseless decision.

    A good foreign coach would obviously be favourable but I'm not optimistic at all. Our FA cannot attract top names. You see them listing coaches like Ranieri, Zaccheroni and Rijkaard only to appease the fans and make it seem like they're trying. In reality they will go for some budget coach aka Petrovic 2.0. At least Calderon has qualified for the World Cup before and recently managed in La Liga, I guess he's the best choice.
     
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  22. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Here's what went wrong in this qualification campaign. The old guard should've been gone after the 2015 Asian Cup. Had Shnaishel taken over after the Asian Cup, I'm sure we would see better results in the first round, and he would have more time to gel players into this team.

    Instead we had Alwan that decided to rely on the old veterans, while keeping promising players like Mohanad and Osama on the bench. You're implying that if it wasn't for Younis, we would have 0 goals against these teams. Let's turn it around. If you started Mohanad, I'm sure he would have scored hattricks against them.
     
  23. Yas-The-Gunner

    Aug 2, 2006
    London
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Well apart from the one Thailand match where he scored 4 goals, Mohanad's record isn't very good so I don't think you can say he would score hattricks. We saw in the South Africa Olympics game how wasteful he is where he didn't score any goals despite many chances and he scored one goal against Vietnam which was a very lucky goal. Nearly all his recent goals came in that one Thailand match and he hasn't done much since then (including in the Iraqi league) although the service to him was poor. He clearly has talent but I can't see him scoring more hattricks in the future, he's too wasteful with chances. In my opinion we wouldn't even be in the second round without Younis. He was involved in so many of our goals.

    I agree with what you say about relying on old veterans - that shouldn't happen. But I don't see a problem with bringing a few and keeping them on the bench. Younis would have been a great option to bring on for the last 10 minutes of games for example. And his presence in the squad to help the young players would be invaluable. The fact that we had to rely on our veterans rather than using them on the bench or in the squad shows how poor we were in the first round. Having a team all full of young inexperienced players is just as wrong as fully relying on old veterans. You need some leadership and experience in any squad especially when it's high pressure international football. I would say Gassid is the only real experienced player in the squad, not counting the invisible Alaa who had no business in the squad. And Radhi still didn't bring players like Brwa and Osama into the team who aren't part of the old guard and are better than the options we have.
     
  24. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    I used Mohanad as an example because he was in better form in the league, while Younis was struggling to score goals even in Iraq. That sums it up.

    The reason why Younis scored goals is because the opposition was very weak. Nothing more, nothing less. Had we used the first round to build a team for the final round, we would have a much stronger team by now.

    Ofcourse there were multiple factors why we failed, but this is a main reason.
     
  25. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Other news:

    Iraq FA president Mas3ood stated that Iraq will play in Basra against Jordan if the FIFA ban is lifted on 11 May.
     

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