Canadian Premier league

Discussion in 'Canada' started by mikehurst21, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Sometimes, it's all about fit. I know in Montreal, for example, Molson Stadium was never an option for the Impact because they'd be third in priority, behind McGill and the Alouettes. Then there's things like football lines, revenue control, etc.
     
  2. mikehurst21

    mikehurst21 Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Nov 6, 2013
    Moore Oklahoma
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Initial B

    Initial B Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    They say the page does not exist. I'm thinking someone involved with the CPL saw this and squashed it. I think they really want to control the message and information flow until the league is actually announced. Already I can imagine they've heard backlash as to how the league won't be able to survive with only 6 teams at the start.
     
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  4. mikehurst21

    mikehurst21 Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Nov 6, 2013
    Moore Oklahoma
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah heres some of what was said :
    6 Original clubs :
    Calgary
    Edmonton ( not FC Edmonton )
    Winnipeg
    Hamilton
    Ottawa
    Halifax
    more clubs to join in 2nd season
    announcement to come in mid april 2017
    soft post 2018 world cup launch with first season running from august to november
    2nd season and beyond running from may to novembe
    here is the League crest ( may be a placeholder ) i tried to enlarge it a bit but it a little blurry also I gave it a transparent background enjoy CPL.PNG CPL.PNG
     
  5. mikehurst21

    mikehurst21 Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Nov 6, 2013
    Moore Oklahoma
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Thanks for all that, mikehurst 21. Some really interesting stuff there. Taking it all at face value:

    The six club start with a short initial season is an interesting idea and certainly one I had not thought of. It lets the CPL get going without having to get all eight clubs ready for day one. The short season means they can do six clubs without having to play the same teams too many times. Having two expansion teams ready to go the next year will also keep the excitement of growth going.

    Edmonton but not Edmonton FC will be... interesting. There's no way both survive. For obvious reasons it would be better if they could pull together but I guess the old balkanization of Canadian soccer isn't quite dead yet.

    Assuming the CFL interest we've heard about is still on, this would mean five of the six teams would presumably have CFL backing. That should be very useful.

    For Halifax itself, they seem to be doing everything right. A simple, affordable stadium with a suitable capacity that looks to be in a great location (I've been to Halifax a few times but don't know it well enough to say for sure). Ticket prices seem reasonable. My main concern would be the expectation of 3000 season tickets. I guess that would depend on how well they can sell the team as Halifax's professional sports club. In the absence of any other competition, they could make that work.
     
  7. Initial B

    Initial B Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Thanks for the new link. So it looks like it will be a 30-game season, perhaps they are thinking of having a single table 16-team league as the end-point. But more likely they would break it into east and west conferences when they got to 8 or more teams, playing home-and-away against the opposing conference with the rest of the games played against in-conference teams.

    The 6-team soft start would get in a short, 10-14 game season to start. However, a team like the Ottawa Fury would have to bail on a half a season in the USL (unlikely) unless they come in the following year.

    The stadium design looks too small. I would think for TV viewing purposes they would want the stands to stretch from goal-line to goal-line with spectators filling the stands. Probably increasing the capacity to about 7-8000?
     
  8. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I hope that they just keep it a single table rather than breaking into divisions. I don't like these divided league structures. I don't really see what point it serves.
     
  9. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    ^ It depends on the format of the games played. If, say, everyone plays a double home and away with everyone else (equals 28 games for an eight team league) then a single table makes sense. If instead they do something unbalanced to keep travel costs lower then divisions makes sense so that you are pooling teams that play opponents the same number of times.
     
  10. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    That's kind of why I prefer a single table, so that all teams are facing each other the same amount of times, everyone is playing on the same level field (no pun intended)

    A-League operates on a single table and Australia is large and sparsely populated like we are. In fact their range covers 5300 km (Perth WA to Wellington NZ) vs 3600 km for us (Edmonton to Halifax).
     
  11. Initial B

    Initial B Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    But if they play single table with each team playing each other an equal number of times, then they wouldn't need playoffs to crown a champion.
     
  12. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Not necessarily. The NHL was a single table up until 1967 and they still had playoffs.
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Liga MX uses playoffs. Twice in one season, even.
     
  14. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Only it's pretty much an Eastern-based league with clustered team, with only Perth on the other coast, and Wellington in NZ. That keeps distances short, except for the odd longer trip. Looking at average/median distance between clubs might be more telling.
     
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  15. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Truthfully though, it's really about what trip can be made by land (coach or train) and which have to go by air. The delta in cost between going by land vs going by air is much bigger than comparing the difference in cost between a long air trip and a short air trip.

    In the proposed six team league, there are only two matchups that can go by land, Hamilton / Ottawa and Calgary / Edmonton.
     
  16. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Even if they go single table (which would make a lot of sense in an eight team league) I expect they'd still have playoffs. It's too ingrained in Canadian sports culture.

    A 28 game regular season (double home and away). Top four in the playoffs with home and away semis and a single game final. That still leaves space for Canadian Championship games.
     
  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Future Hamilton CPL President is starting to hype the direction that CSA will be going as of next month where CPL receives its sanctioning:

     
  18. Initial B

    Initial B Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    That tweet worries me. It sounds like there's going to be a conflict of interest between Owners who want to put out a competitive product and the CSA that wants to develop Canadian talent. Maybe the CPL is not going to have international player restrictions (which defeats the purpose of the CPL in the first place)?

    Or maybe with the new co-host WC bid there is less justification for a domestic league?
     
  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Paul Beirne already said in a Q & A session in Halifax that the quota would be initially low but increase progressively as the pool gets bigger and better. That's a win-win for both parties.

    The league will be very competitive right at kick-off. He also said that only other league Division 1 or 2 players would be targeted by the CPL. Division 3 or lower, farm leagues will be excluded.
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  21. Initial B

    Initial B Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Well, I *hope* they confirm, but it looks like its dependent on a vote of some sort. I try not to be pessimistic about this, but Haligonians tend to be very resistant to change. I wish them luck.
     
  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  23. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    So what I'm hearing on this podcast is the that the issue is that TFC, and possibly also VWFC and IMFC, want in on the CPL with their junior sides but the CSA doesn't want CPL to be seen as second tier to MLS.

    To me that's pure ego. I can't see how anyone will truly consider CPL to be on par with MLS regardless of whether or not the MLS junior sides take part.
     
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  24. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    There is a difference between being seen as a reserve/farm league and being seen as a lower tier.

    It would take an enormous miracle (that is not happening) to make CPL a higher/better league than MLS.....but that does not mean that it has to accept a status as a farm or reserve league.
     
  25. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Is there really a difference? In Germany, many clubs have a II team (basically the same thing as our USL sides) who typically play in lower Bundesliga tiers (along with other clubs not affiliated with major clubs), with the stipulation that they can never be promoted to higher than 3 Bundesliga.

    3 & 4 Bundesliga are not seen as a "farm leagues". It's simply a lower tier.

    Don't see how that would be any different here, aside from the fact that there's not promotion/relegation among leagues.
     

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