As awful as our match was, today is really turning out to be a good day for Colombia Uruguay got thrashed 1-4 at home against Brazil Paraguay took care of business against Ecuador 2-1 Right now Argentina is beating Chile by 1, but the Chileans look like they're waking up. A tie there would be great.
Yea but beinsports said FIFA could take 2 points + 3 goals in favor away from Chile. A Argie win is better for us. Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina to me are in. We need to eliminate Ecuador next week. Or make it almost impossible to catch up to us with + 4 points Last game is Ecuador v Argentina in Ecuador would be crazy if both need it to qualify at the end
Chile and Peru were awarded 3 points + 3 goals because Bolivia used a player who played a friendly for Paraguay. They beat Peru and tied Chile. Bolivia is challenging that. FIFA has till June to decide to award Bolivia their points back. My thing is doesn't FIFA get the call up list ahead of time.kind of bull to take the points away months after the games happened
They would have reversed it by now. Argentina won. Brazil - 30 +22 Uruguay - 23 +10 Argentina - 22 +3 Colombia - 21 +1 Ecuador - 20 +5 Chile - 20 +3 A win in Ecuador would be incredible.
Nope, FIFA already decided that Bolivia lost those points. Whom gets to decide if legally there were breaches in Bolivia's whole case against FIFA, is the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS). If the CAS, rules in Bolivia's favour, together with FIFA accepting the CAS arbitration (they usually do), they could change the veredict that they originally took.
I think we will finish 5th and Ecuador will be the odd man out. We need to win or at least tie Tuesday. Can't give them 3 points
It's a make or break game. If we can't pull out the points, we don't deserve to qualify. We have yet to win a truly difficult match in the entire process. Tied Chile twice, lost to Argentina twice, tied and lost to Uruguay. Beating Ecuador in Quito and defending the house against Brazil are statement matches.
This is what it comes down to for me. Not only was it just a mere loss to Argentina. It was 2 losses to the worst Argentina for as far as I can remember. We lost to a Uruguay side that didn't have Cavani or Suarez. We tied against Uruguay at home, when 4 years ago we beat them by 4 goals or more. We beat chile 1 out of 2 times in the previous qualifying campaign and drew both times in our current campaign. These results play a big part in our fate. We qualified to 2014 because we pulled some results against the big teams. Can't say the same this time around and it may cost us. I agree, If we get anything less than a draw Tuesday, its over.
If we lose to Ecuador thats already one team that'll leapfrog us. That leaves Chile who will also leapfrog us if they most likely get a result against Venezuela in Santiago on Tuesday. The following round in August might give us a chance to jump back in, but I doubt Paraguay beats Chile in Santiago, Brazil MIGHT beat Ecuador, and Uruguay/Arg are already head of us in the table as is so they can draw if we botch it again in Venezuela.
Ellos ganan; uds. empatan; nosotros empatamos o ganamos; Y Paraguay hace lo impensable ganándole a Brasil. Quedaría "de infarto" para los 4 últimos partidos, con 6 equipos separados por solo 2 puntos (y con un 7° equipo a solo 3 puntos atrás)......
Tie Ecuador. Beat Paraguay and Peru and mathematically we are in. 28 points should be enough for 5th We need a result in Venezuela if any of these don't happen
eso es una pelicula de miedo... y en Colombia sabemos que esperar hasta el ultimo minuto nunca nos ha salido bien, por Colombia espero que nos clasifiquemos antes de tiempo
We need to beat Ecuador, they are in a bad moment this is our chance. Paraguay are building momentum and are more of a threat.
Messi being banned 4 matches could really change things for us, Chile, Ecuador and Uruguay now. Last time Messi was out Argentina dropped points.
There's no way FIFA leaves Messi out of a World Cup ...Don't be surprised if they reverse the Bolivia punishment and give them back the points and leave Chile out .
Brazil - 30 +22 Uruguay - 23 +10 Argentina - 22 +3 Colombia - 21 +1 Ecuador - 20 +5 Chile - 20 +3 Ok, so based on today's games, best outcome: Colombia win Brazil win Uruguay loss preferred (or tie) Bolivia win Vzla win
It's not in FIFA's hands now. the CAS or TAS in spanish, is an independent international court, that really gives a shit on whom gets favoured or who gets disfavoured. For the case, its lots easier to have a referee make one or two bad calls in a specific match, to favour one of the teams. Maybe , the fact the referee in our match, disallowed a perfectly valid goal at the begining of the match, together with also calling an almost unexistent penalty kick, has something of that too. What you can do in one match, you can always do it in another. Good for you, you already had your 2 matches vs. Argentina (so did we, and as you guys we lost both of them), but Ecuador faces them the last match-date this qualifiers. If anyone really has to worry, over this, it should be them.....
Ecuador has their fate set. They need to beat us and Argentina at home and they are in. The final day of qualifiers are going to be nail bitters. Hi Rickdog. Do you have more info on the Bolivia points because Beinsports made it seem like it will get reversed which is bullshit. I mean they never should have been taken away and now it's been over 6 months to now reverse that decision just seems like a way to Screw Chile and Help Argentina. Obviously it will help Colombia and would be annoying if Chile knocks us out because of a loop hole. I just don't get why FIFA let them call that player. Also during the Colombia game they said Bolivia might get fined or forfeit because they didn't have a 3rd GK. No way Bolivia can just be that incompetent
The CAS, doesn't take fast decissions. Got have patience on that one, and whomever says it will resolved soon is not saying the truth. Their resolution statement will never come before June this year. And as I posted somewhere else, the CAS is an independent judiciary international court. They don't give a fvck, what is more or less convenient for FIFA, for Bolivia, or for whomever has interests over the case; they make their decissions only on judiciary grounds. In any case, Bolivia set it out as if there was an official complaint, which as they say must be done at most at 24 hours after the match has been played. Their big problem is that FIFA decided to act over it, on its own once they realized there was many breaches concerning the case. It wasn't over a complaint filed after a match, but a letter sent by the chilean and peruvian feds pointing about the existence of the irregularity, and the reasons why it wasn't filed as an official complaint after the match, which was that knowledge about the case only became known almost 1 month after the match was played, an issue that FIFA accepted as being reasonable, which is why they decided to act in consequence, over that. As how the bolivian federation presented the case, they really don't have no way in getting points reversed, as they have presented the case diferently as how it was ruled by FIFA. The worse for the bolivian fed, is that they never filed any of the papers of Cabrera, through FIFA, which is mandatory, before actually playing him (the stupids in their federation believed it was an automatic process, so they never even intended to file the players switch of nationality, considering that Cabrera had already played an official A match for his native Paraguay, not doing so, it inhabiltates him from playing for them, even if they would have respected the 5 years residence period required by FIFA before playing for a new team). That's why here in Chile, we are not even worried over the case, as we know that Bolivia simply doesn't have a case. There will not be a reversal on FIFA's decission On the case, of not presenting 3 goal keepers in the list of players against you guys, they really didn't need to, because that rule specifies that the list must have 3 goalkeepers among the 23 player list. Fact is Bolivia´s list of players, only included 20 players, which gives them the benefit of eventually calling 3 more local players if they wish, in which case of course one of them sure would be a goalkeeper to complete the 3 player requirement, and therefore the list would be made according to the rule book. Bein sports are only making a show from it, as that is what most sells among viewers.
Really doesn't matter any more if we get the 3 points today. We have 4 games to get 3 points. Paraguay at home is inexcusable to not get 3 points. Venezuela this is the worst I have ever seen them. If we beat Ecuador in Quito we need to beat Venezuela. Peru away again a win or a tie. Brazil doesn't matter. They take points from Chile who cares. We are at least 3Rd winning today
Key result in La Paz. Argentina is in free fall right now. I doubt they're going to beat Uruguay in Uruguay, and it's likely they'll be playing for the qualification on the last match day against Ecuador. From this point forward, I'm an Ecuador fan.